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  • 30
    Mar
    2012
    6:20pm, EDT

    Bin Laden widow denies details of leaked statements

    Courtesy: Zakaria al Sadah

    In this photo, taken in Pakistan, Amal and Osama bin Laden's three youngest children (on the right) stand beside three of bin Laden's grandchildren (on the left).

    By Amna Nawaz, NBC News

    Amal al Sadah, the youngest widow of Osama bin Laden, has denied information included in a confidential Pakistani document, listing details of her life with her late husband. The three-page document, obtained by NBC News, is divided into nine sections -- each one paraphrasing a statement or statements made by Amal to investigators while in Pakistani custody.

    The contents of the document were first reported on Thursday by correspondent Azaz Syed of Pakistan's Dawn newspaper.

    According to her brother, Zakaria al Sadah -- who spoke with her after the first report was published and asked her about its contents -- Amal denies ever having given any such statements to investigators, adding that most of the information included in the document is factually incorrect. The family's lawyer in Pakistan, Atif Ali Khan, clarified that while Amal might have spoken to various investigators during her time in custody, she denies having provided the level of detail in the document. Neither he nor Zakaria al Sadah would go into detail about which specific pieces of information were incorrect.


    The document offers the most detailed narrative yet of where and when bin Laden and his family managed to move through Pakistan, ultimately landing in their final hideaway, just two and a half hours north of the country's capital of Islamabad. According to the document, Amal entered Pakistan legally in July 2000, arriving on a visa issued for seeking medical treatment from the Pakistan Embassy in Sana'a, Yemen. After crossing the border into Kandahar, Afghanistan, she was married to bin Laden and stayed with him there, along with his three other wives.

    After the attacks on 9/11, the family "scattered," according to the document. Amal moved with her eldest daughter to Karachi, then reunited with her husband in Peshawar, moving with him to Swat, Haripur, and finally Abbottabad. Amal and bin Laden had five children together, whose ages now range between two and 12. The youngest daughter and son -- Zainab and Hussain, respectively -- were born in Abbottabad, but her older son, Ibrahim, and second daughter, Aasia, are listed as having been born in hospitals in Pakistan.

    Amal and her children have been in Pakistani custody for 11 months, since the night of the U.S. forces' raid in Abbottabad that killed her husband. Her brother, Zakaria, is currently in Pakistan working to secure their release so he can take them back home, to Yemen.

    Zakaria Al Sadah says he has been able to see his sister, nieces, and nephews nearly a dozen times over the last year during brief, supervised visits. In an interview with NBC News, al Sadah said he takes toys and books for the children each time he visits and avoids talking about the night of the raid, but ultimately just wants for them to be able to start a new life back home.

    His mission has been complicated by the ongoing work of a special Pakistani commission, which needed to interview Amal and other family members as part of their investigation into Osama bin Laden's presence in Pakistan, and by the government's recent decision to charge the women for illegally entering and remaining in the country.

    Listed in the document is a legal justification for those formal charges against Amal, which reads "she stayed in Pakistan after the expiry of her valid visa, hence, her stay in Pakistan was illegal, which is an offense under section 14 of the Foreigners Act of 1946." The government, according to this argument, has the power to deport her back to Yemen.

    Zakaria al Sadah told NBC News he is now putting his faith in the Pakistani judicial system, which he trusts to do the right thing. The family is to be formally charged on Monday.

     

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    Pakistanis are determined to provide a credible cover story so they can deny hiding him.

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  • 22
    Mar
    2012
    10:05am, EDT

    Bin Laden widow's condition worsens in Pakistani custody, brother says

    Osama Bin Laden's brother in law, Zakaria al-Sadah, spoke to NBC News in Islamabad in his first interview with an American television network. NBC's Amna Nawaz reports.

    By Amna Nawaz, NBC News correspondent

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Zakaria al-Sadah, Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law, said he is worried for the health of his sister, who was shot in the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader.  

    Speaking to NBC News in Islamabad on Tuesday in his first interview with an American television network, al-Sadah talked about his fight to free his sister, Amal al-Sadah, who has been held, along with her five children, by the Pakistan government since the May 2011 raid by U.S. Navy SEALs.

    "I want to get them out as soon as possible," al-Sadah said, "because kids, they can forget the past in the right environment. They will carry on."


    Favorite wife
    Twenty-nine year old Amal al-Sadah, originally from Yemen, had an arranged marriage with bin Laden when she was 17 or 18, in 1999 or 2000. She lived with him and their five children, now between three and 12 years old, in the Abbottabad compound made notorious by the U.S. forces' nighttime raid in which her husband was killed.

    Al-Sadah said he was at home in Yemen when he got the news of the American raid and that his sister's presence at the compound shocked him and his family. 

    "We didn't know that our sister was with him at the time," he said. "My mother, my father, my whole family was surprised that this had happened and she was actually there."

    He explained that his family had been largely estranged from Amal after her marriage to bin Laden. Any communication between them was infrequent, and usually came through couriers. He didn't even know she or bin Laden were living in Abbottabad.

    Bin Laden is believed to have been married six times, but divorced two of his wives. Amal was the last to marry him, his youngest wife, and reportedly also his favorite. Bin Laden reportedly spent the last years of his life mostly with Amal, with whom he lived and slept in the top portion of the compound.
    Amal was shot in the leg during the U.S. operation, and her brother believes her physical condition may be worsening. 

    "I've seen them eight times, each visit for an hour, maybe an hour and a half," he said. "But the last visit was two and a half months ago."  

    Al-Sadah said the last time he saw his sister, she had lost the use of her injured leg. He is concerned authorities are deliberately keeping him from visiting to hide her deteriorating health.

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    Zakaria al-Sadah speaks to NBC News' Amna Nawaz about his fight to free his sister, Osama bin Laden's widow, from Pakistani custody.

    Long list of charges
    For al-Sadah, the process has been a long and drawn out one. He said that after questioning by the special government commission investigating bin Laden's presence here, Amal’s return to Yemen seemed imminent.

    But he said that with each step forward has come with two steps back. In the latest twist to the widows' story, Pakistan recently announced that all three women are being charged with illegally entering and staying in Pakistan and would continue to be confined to a house in Islamabad.

    Al-Sadah, who has retained a lawyer to help secure his sister's freedom, says he's written to Pakistan's chief justice for permission for his sister, nieces and nephews to return with him to Yemen.

    "Everyone knows that women and children – they're innocent," he said. "[Bin Laden] made them busy with the kids, taking care of the kids' needs. They were not included, none of them were included, in any of his agendas."

    But the Pakistani government says it has its reasons for holding the women.

    “The widows are facing charges of illegal entry, harboring an offender, impersonation and abetment,” said a senior official in Pakistan’s Ministry of the Interior, explaining the charges against Amal and the other widows. He spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case. “The punishments carry different kinds of sentences, so it is now up to courts proceedings. How much time it will take, no one can say.”

    Another Pakistani intelligence official, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity, explained another reason why the women’s case may be moving so slowly. “Since the Saudi and Yemeni governments have not made up their minds to take them back, the legal process could take a long time to keep them away from public scene.”

    However, Aamir Khalil, the lawyer for Al-Sadah working on Amal’s case, of course sees things differently. “The case was filed after 10 months which is illegal; already we have filed a petition to quash the case and acquittal.”
     
    He added that Islamabad’s High Court has directed the Director General of Pakistan’s ISI, Pakistan’s premiere intelligence agency, and the Ministries of Interior and Defense to arrange a meeting between Amal and her brother as soon as possible. 

    ‘Next time’
    For now, al-Sadah said all he can do is try to provide some sense of hope for his nieces and nephews, most of whom can only remember life inside the compound walls in which their father was killed.

    Al-Sadah said he had taken them toys when he was allowed to see them – soccer balls, balloons, and books – and that at the end of each visit, the children would beg him not to go.

    "I always lied to them, whenever they asked me to stay," he said. "I would lie and say, 'Next time we'll go to the park,' 'Next time we'll go outside.' I keep telling them they're going to come back home soon."

    NBC News' Fakhar Rehman contributed to this report.

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    I'll file this right under, "Who gives a s$%^"?

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  • 6
    May
    2011
    3:36pm, EDT

    Abbottabad residents still don't believe bin Laden lived there

    NBC News’ Stephanie Gosk has been reporting all week from Abbottabad, Pakistan, the city where Osama bin Laden was killed by U.S. forces in a secret raid. In a phone interview Friday, she responded to questions about the town and the local reaction to bin Laden’s death and the revelation that he lived there for years.

    What is the reaction to bin Laden’s death in Abbottabad?
    We’ve been here all week and have been able to get quite close to bin Laden’s former compound – right outside the walls. And it’s not just the media who are interested, but also the people who live in this town.

    What is most interesting is how few people actually believe bin Laden was killed in that house or that he even lived there at all.

    It will be interesting over the next few days to see what their reaction is to the news that al-Qaida has put a statement online confirming that bin Laden was killed and calling on Muslims around the world to rise up and avenge his death.

    Is there really still that much doubt about Bin Laden even living there?
    Well, this country has a strong tradition of conspiracy theories. People here don’t generally believe anything that officials tell them. So it’s not entirely surprising that they aren’t going to believe reports coming out of the White House.

    What’s interesting is the reasons why they think the White House is doing this. They will say things like, “Well, Obama wants to be re-elected in the next election, so this was really just a PR stunt.” One person that we spoke to the other day referred back to the Monica Lewinsky scandal and how things at that time seemed to be done to deflect criticism around the world. So they will go out of their way to try to fabricate these elaborate conspiracies as opposed to believing what officials tell them.


    What would it take for them to believe that he was killed?
    Well, that was always my next question: What would it take for you to believe he was actually killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in that house? I asked if a photo would do it, and they said, “No, no, of course not. You can doctor a photo.” When I asked about video, they said, “No, you can doctor that, too.” They simply will not believe that he was killed.

    With al-Qaida’s statement coming out, it will be interesting to see if people believe it now. But they may come back and say this is just another ploy as well.  

    Is Abbottabad really a well-heeled town? Have you seen the town’s alleged golf course?
    We didn’t get a chance to check out the golf course. But we did get a sense of what daily life is like.

    Despite all the international media coverage, there were a lot of people in this town who just got on with their lives.

    In Pakistan, this is a place that people retreat to. It’s up in the mountains, so there is a cool breeze. It’s a good place to escape the hustle-bustle of Islamabad and the heat – so some people have second homes here. There are hotels – it’s just a pretty little town. 

    For the people who actually believe that bin Laden was living here amongst them and was killed here, they are shocked that it could happen in their midst. It’s a place that is known not to have much of a radical element. And in Pakistan over the last few years, there are very few places where you can say that.  

    We are hearing that the CIA had a safe house there, do the neighbors say that they noticed anything?
    We haven’t heard from anybody that they were aware of monitoring or intelligence gathering on the ground. There is nothing that led them to any suspicions of that.

    But quite honestly there was nothing to make them suspicious of the house down the road. Now people will say that it had high walls and barbed wire – which is a little unusual. And they didn’t see the women come out of the house – but that’s fairly typical. There are plenty of families where women don’t leave the house – so that wasn’t all that strange. People here didn’t really notice anything that completely out of the ordinary.

    That’s really the big question: What did they know? And with that military complex down the road, how did they not know that bin Laden was in their midst? 

    Does that suspicion of officials and the U.S. lend itself to suspicions about the Pakistani military, too? That they had some hand in hiding bin Laden?
    No, I don’t think they are suspicious of the military. What we have heard – almost across the board – is criticism of the civilian government and the fact that they are seen as puppets of the United States.

    There is also embarrassment among the Pakistani military that this raid took place at all. That U.S. Navy SEALs snuck in under their radar, hugging the mountainous terrain, killed bin Laden and then left without them ever knowing it happened until they received a phone call from U.S. officials. 

    That has embarrassed and angered the military in this country – and the people themselves.

    Where there any protests there today? 
    There was a small protest in Abbottabad. There were maybe 400-500 people and it was organized by a radical Islamic group. It was all men. This is a town of 100,000 people – so it wasn’t really that big.

    But their message was a familiar one that we have heard all over the country over and over: that their sovereignty was violated by this raid and that President Asif Ali Zardari is a puppet of the U.S.

    Is there any sense of relief that bin Laden is gone?
    I think there is some relief here in Abbottabad and across the country as well. Because over the last couple of years al-Qaida has turned its attention to Pakistan and conducted a number of attacks – including deadly suicide attacks in all of Pakistan’s major cities.

    So people’s tolerance of al-Qaida and their violence has really diminished. So there is real anger there over the deaths in this country and I think that killing bin Laden will bring people some relief. But I think they really want the attacks to stop.

    Related links: From NBC's Richard Engel: Bin Laden was a 'compassionate martyr' and Hitler loved music...

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    I honestly can't believe that so many people commenting here either don't believe Osama bin Laden is dead or that the SEAL raid didn't take plase at all! How many people in Washington DC are in on this supposed conspiracy, is everyone in DC that good of a liar to keep the ;truth' hidden?? This is ri …

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  • 6
    May
    2011
    11:45am, EDT

    Bin Laden was a 'compassionate martyr' and Hitler loved music...

    By Richard Engel, NBC News chief foreign correspondent

    BENGHAZI, Libya – Al-Qaida’s official statement today announcing Osama bin Laden’s death immediately reminded me of a scene from Mel Brooks' classic comedy “The Producers.” 

    In the movie (I never saw the play) con men movie producers search for the worst, most offensive play they can imagine, so that it will flop and they won't have to pay their investors. 

    The producers find it in a glowing tribute to Adolf Hitler, the misunderstood artist, a man of culture, panache and style. “Hitler was a great dancer,” the playwright tells the producers. 

    They buy his play on the spot.

    Hitler, according to his many biographers, also loved music. He was a fan of oil paintings, too. But who cares if the 20th century’s most vile human could waltz like Fred Astaire?
     
    Al-Qaida’s statement today was equally misguided. It could have been written by the same man who loved Hitler, the dancer.  



    The statement began by saying of bin Laden, “You Lived a Compassionate Life and You Died a Martyr.”
     
    Compassionate? 

    It's not the first quality that comes to mind.
     
    The statement continues like a love poem, extolling the kinder, gentler side of the world’s deadliest terrorist. It describes bin Laden, on the run for a decade, not as a fugitive, but as a traveler spreading his message like a monk, wandering the earth in search of justice.
     
    “Congratulations to the Ummah of Islam (the Islamic community) with the martyrdom of her pious son Usama; as after a life full of work and efforts, determination and patience, encouragement and jihad, generosity and open-handedness, migration and traveling, advices and good management, wisdom and practicality.”
     
    Al-Qaida also tried to explain away the fact that American troops were able to gun down its leader face to face.
     
    “The Americans were able to kill Usama, that is not shameful or disgraceful, and wouldn’t the men and heroes be killed except in the battlefields. Every fate has an ending, but can the Americans with their media, agents, machinery, soldiers, intelligence and forces kill what Shaykh Usama lived for and killed for the cause of?”
     
    Osama bin Laden is dead. Al-Qaida wants the world to remember him as a compassionate philosopher – a Socrates killed by the state for refusing the status quo – not as what he was, a mass murderer of innocent civilians.  

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    Insightful and literate, like all of Richard Engel's reporting. He is a treasure.

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  • 4
    May
    2011
    3:53pm, EDT

    Afghan leaders point fingers at Pakistan

    By Atia Abawi, NBC News Correspondent

    KABUL, Afghanistan – How does the death of Osama bin Laden change the situation on the ground in Afghanistan?

    Not much, by most accounts.

    The Afghan Taliban had already announced their intention to increase fighting, as part of their annual spring offensive, before bin Laden was killed. They, unlike their brother group in Pakistan, had detached themselves from the al-Qaida leadership several years ago. 

    And while some in the Pakistani Taliban have protested the death of bin Laden, the spokesman for the Afghan Taliban said that they won't comment on the death at least not until they have proof that he is dead.

    There are varying viewpoints among NATO, the Afghan government and civilians about how the death of bin Laden affects Afghanistan, but the common denominator is the fact that Afghanistan is still in turmoil and fighting is expected to continue.

    "Fighting here will likely not be impacted because the al-Qaida presence in Afghanistan is determined to be relatively low," one U.S. military official said to NBC News on the condition of anonymity.

    He echoed what other U.S. officials would say only on background. 

    In fact, it is estimated that there are only around 150 to 200 al-Qaida operators in Afghanistan, far less than what the U.S. forces faced when they first arrived in the country fall of 2001.  Today's insurgency in Afghanistan is comprised of various terrorist groups with different leaders and commanders – few of them still follow the orders of al-Qaida.

    Wary eye on Pakistan
    Afghan officials welcomed the news of bin Laden's death but have been cautious about claiming that this will be the ticket to victory in Afghanistan.

    "Osama bin Laden dead can have lots of positive effects in Afghanistan, in the region and in the world in the future, but we shouldn't think that all al-Qaida has been destroyed after his death," Gen. Mohammad Zaher Azimi, the spokesman of the Afghan Defense Ministry said during a press conference Monday.

    But Afghan officials made it clear Wednesday that they believe Pakistan’s spy agency should have known bin Laden was hiding not far from their capital.

    "When we talk about the location of the house and a military academy nearby ... at the very least it should be known about the activities inside the house and who is living there," Azimi told the news conference.

    "If Pakistan's spy agency was not aware of the house near the academy, it brings the agency under question. If I was a security analyst, I would raise these very important questions," he added.

    Others expressed hope that the new development would change the way the U.S. government handles Pakistan. 

    Dr. Abdullah Abdullah, an Afghan politician and former presidential candidate has said for years – like many Afghans – that Pakistan is the home of insurgent and terrorist leaders. And now he says bin Laden's death proves that.

    "At least some people in the [Pakistani] establishment, the military intelligence establishment, should have known. He couldn't have survived that long without some sort of protection," Abdullah said.

    He also hopes that the United States will open its eyes to the fact that Pakistan cannot be a reliable partner in securing Afghanistan and fighting the war on terror.

    "When the United States – which has been bailing out Pakistan for many years now – they cannot trust them, how can we trust our national security interest with Pakistani establishments?" he added.

    Psychological victory
    And although the death of bin Laden may not change the continued battles in Afghanistan, it is still considered a massive psychological victory. 

    Commanders have said that any side who truly believes they are winning will in the end win.

    And for the past couple of years, the Afghan insurgency has felt they had the upper hand. They believed the United States would be just another superpower that would crumble in their hands.  Even bin Laden himself used to liken America to a paper tiger. 

    The fact that the U.S. finally captured and killed Osama bin Laden proved that they still have the capabilities and power to achieve their goals.

    So although bin Laden’s death may not have a big physical impact on the Afghan war, it may have a much needed psychological impact on U.S. and NATO forces who have been trying to turn the war around for years.
     

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    Its also obvious why the Paki Army NEVER sent troops to the compund when they saw American helicopters hovering near their Academy; they knew EXACTLY why we were there. The compund wasn't fortified to the point of protecting Osama from a significant Paki Military intrusion located within a mile rad …

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  • 3
    May
    2011
    3:25pm, EDT

    Egyptian to Obama ‘Thank you so much!’

    By Charlene Gubash

    CAIRO – Reaction on the streets of Cairo to Osama Bin Laden’s death ranged from joy to disbelief to anger over the alleged burial at sea. 

    “It’s the best news I have ever heard,” confided a former Egyptian general reached by phone who did not want to be named. “He was the source of terrorism in the entire world!” 

    “I want to say to Mr. Obama, thank you, thank you so much!” said Mohamed Gharib, a travel agent who blamed bin Laden for acts of terror in Luxor and the Sinai.

    Sherif al Helw, an investment banker, shared a hope that bin Laden’s demise would lead to regional peace. “Part of me was relieved. I don’t know why I was relieved, but maybe I thought that would soon lead to the end of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, which would bring a little more stability to the region.” 

    However, many refused to believe that the infamous escape artist was at last cornered. “He is like a genie,” said one young man who wouldn’t give his name. “Maybe the man was an imitation or somebody who looks like him. There are lots of mountains and places to hide in Pakistan.”   


    Burial at sea
    Others were angered by the nature of the attack and burial at sea. 
     
    The U.S. “acted like a cowboy, thugs, and not a civilized country,” said Mamdouh Ismail, a defense lawyer for Islamic militants and the founder of Al Nahda, an Islamic fundamentalist party. He was angered by the American violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty by going in to kill bin Laden. 

    “What Obama said is untrue. It wasn’t a victory. On the contrary, it is bin Laden who won because he achieved what he said he wanted in his speeches…he said he won’t be arrested and will fight and become a martyr,” said Ismail.

    But it was bin Laden’s reported burial at sea that Ismail found utterly shocking and unforgivable.

    “I think this kind of news will provoke an angry reaction in the whole Islamic world because we have rules about how to bury the dead and this will ignite a furious reaction because they did not follow Islamic practice,” said Ismail. “This is against all human rights, principles and respect for the dead.” 

    The White House says that bin Laden’s burial was done in conformance with Islamic “precepts and practices.” They say his body was washed, placed in a white sheet and then placed inside a weighted bag. According to the White House, a military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic, and then his body was tipped from a flat board and eased into to sea.

    Essam Aryan, a relatively moderate leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, also was troubled by the burial. “According to any religion, his body must be handed over to his family. This is inhuman to keep the body away from the family.” 

    However, Aryan did see bin Laden’s demise as a chance to turn a new page. “I think this can mean a new start for a good relation built on dual respect, common values, common interests.” 

    He blamed the al-Qaida chief for distorting the image of Islam and opined that since the U.S. has “taken its revenge” on bin Laden, the country could adopt a new policy toward Muslims and Arabs.

    “Now it is time to correct this image and to respect Muslims all over the world. It is time to end the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and announce that it is time for the rights of the Palestinians to be respected,” said Aryan. “I hope now we have the end of such an era, the era of violence, the era of wars, the era of disrespect of humanity, of Muslims and Arabs. America killed not only Osama bin Laden, America killed a million in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine.”  

    Although reaction toward the fatal attack on bin Laden was mixed, nobody doubted al-Qaida’s resolve to avenge his death.

    It should be noted that bin Laden’s No. 2 man was Egyptian-born Ayman al-Zawahiri. He remains a key target for the United States and has a $25 million bounty on his head. He would presumably take charge of the al-Qaida operation in bin Laden’s absence.

    “I am sure [Ayman al-Zawahiri] will react, but I don’t know how. He was bin Laden’s friend and companion in the organization and had strong relations to him,” said Ismail. “There is no doubt there will be a reaction, but God knows what it will be.”

    Related links:
    Complete coverage of the Death of bin Laden
    Plenty of targets remain after bin Laden

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    The islamist lawyer is right. We should have handled bin Laden's body the islamist way and beheaded him and dragged him through the streets of Washington. An eye for an eye. But the story shows that new islamist are using propaganda instead of bombs to turn the youth against those that have subdued  …

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  • 3
    May
    2011
    12:09pm, EDT

    Agreement among Libyan foes on bin Laden: ‘He was not welcome here’

    By Mike Taibbi, NBC News Correspondent, with additional reporting by Sohel Uddin, NBC News Producer
     
    TRIPOLI – There were room-sized rugs placed in the middle of a busy intersection, a few hundred yards from the Hani cemetery in central Tripoli. The plan, we were told, was for a group of clerics to lead public prayers over the coffin of Saif al-Arab, the 29-year-old son of Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi who was killed in a NATO bombing raid Saturday night, along with three of Gadhafi’s grandchildren – a raid which reportedly just missed killing Gadhafi himself and his wife Safia. 

    A crowd of about 2,000 gathered in Tripoli Monday for the funeral of Saif al-Arab, Gadhafi's son killed in a NATO raid Saturday night.

    Saif’s death was the big story here as Monday dawned, the only story for many on a day when the rest of the world woke up to the news that an American special forces team had killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. 

    But as the news spread about bin Laden’s death, despite the ongoing conflict in Libya between the rebels and the government, the two sides were united by one thing: their disdain for the former terrorist mastermind.


    ‘That’s good’
    The NATO strike in Tripoli flattened two buildings in a family compound where many in the Gadhafi family had gathered Saturday night, a compound which NATO Gen. Charles Bouchard said was in fact a military target. 

    “We do not target individuals,” Bouchard said in a statement. “We regret all loss of life, especially innocent civilians being harmed as a result of the ongoing conflict.”

    However, none of the thousands who attended the funeral seemed to believe that. “This was a direct operation to assassinate the leader of this country,” government spokesman Musa Ibrahim said of the air attack that killed Saif al-Arab, one of the least known of Gadhafi’s seven sons. 

    As the funeral gathered steam and veered toward chaos, a surging procession that overwhelmed the original plans for a ceremony centered on public prayers, mourners shouted “Gadhafi lives in our hearts!” and “Libya will have its revenge!”

    Since the bombing raid and the deaths of Gadhafi’s son and grandchildren had dominated the state-controlled media here, many attending the funeral knew nothing by midday about the killing of bin Laden. 

    Mike Taibbi / NBC News

    Crowds chanting support for Col. Moammar Gadafi gathered in Tripoli on Monday for the funeral of his son, Saif al-Arab, who was killed in a NATO air strike Saturday.

    We watched for a couple of hours (the foreign press was allowed to attend and cover the funeral) and understood why some of the more than 1,000 angry mourners, who reasonably assumed the press contingent included Westerners, directed their rage at us. 

    One man, when I said I was an American, spoke good English and chose after a few minutes to stop shouting and start talking.  He carried a cellphone, a set of car keys, wore a dress shirt, neatly pressed slacks and said he was a businessman.  

    “Listen,” he said, talking about Saturday’s NATO raid and two other bomb attacks in the past week that came close to taking out Gadhafi, “you tell me why one sovereign country can go in and assassinate someone in another sovereign country?” 

    I let him go on until he’d said his piece, and then asked him what he thought of the killing of Osama bin Laden. He hadn’t heard, asked for details, and I told him what had been reported.  He thought about it, nodding as he thought, then said, “That’s good. That’s different. It’s good!”  He reached to shake my hand and then walked away.

    ‘He was not welcome here’
    A short time later I spoke with a government official who’s one of our regular contacts, told him of that exchange at the funeral and asked if he was surprised.

    “No, not at all,” he said, spitting out bin Laden’s name, along with a profanity. “He’s the reason for so much of the trouble in the Arab world … the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, what’s happening here in Libya. We never wanted him, when he tried to recruit here or set up terror camps … He was not welcome here.”

    In fact, in Libya’s civil uprising that began in mid-February and is now mired in what feels like a stalemate, bin Laden was tagged with the bogeyman label early on, based on the terror leader’s unsuccessful history here.

    Even Libya’s own self-described Jihadist organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, repudiated bin Laden and al-Qaida years ago, declaring that “the strategy of killing civilians is never legitimate.”

    And once the uprising against Gadhafi took shape, the Libyan strongman blamed it all on al-Qaida. On Feb. 24, nine days after the rebellion began, Gadhafi called into state television and urged those taking up arms to against his government to ignore al-Qaida and bin Laden. He condemned the rebellion as “an enemy who is manipulating people” with hallucinogenic drugs, “an enemy who is wanted by America and the Western World. Do not listen to bin Laden and his followers.” Later, Gadhafi told a Russian news service it was bin Laden’s plan to “take over Libya” and to “turn it into another Afghanistan or Somalia.”

    But in the aftermath of the funeral, when Tripoli had caught up to the news of the killing of bin Laden, it seemed the two sides in Libya’s internal death struggle were in agreement: the terror leader’s death was good news.  

    However, there was a point of disagreement over what it meant.

    For the Gadhafi government, the key instigator of the ongoing civil war had been eliminated. But the rebels seemed to take inspiration from it. Col. Ahmed Bani, the rebel military spokesman, said, “We are very happy and we are waiting for the next step … to do the same to Gadhafi."

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    Ghadafi is the smart dictator. When the U.S. and western world pushed in on weapons of mass distraction and terrorism, he backed down. When the civil war barely started he painted his opponents as Al Queda supporters (and there is a little bit of truth in that), and told Americans plenty of them wou …

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    Is America safer after the death of Osama bin Laden?

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    Bush could have taken him at Tora Bora - he has admitted as much. But it would have weakened the impulse to go into Iraq, which was his goal from Inauguration Day in January 2001. In following through on his demented vision, it has cost our country lives, trillions of dollars, and respect and credib …

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    Clarifying Osama bin Laden myths

    NBC's Richard Engel reports that supporters of the al-Qaida mastermind are "trying to create an alternative myth" to the events that unfolded before the death of Osama bin Laden.

    By Robert Windrem, NBC News Investigative reporter

    For years a mythology has grown around Osama bin Laden. Bob Windrem, NBC News’ chief investigative producer, has been reporting on bin Laden and the al-Qaida terrorist network since the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Windrem clears up a few of the enduring myths about the world’s most wanted man.

    1) He lived in caves. 
    This goes back to President’s Bush's comment about “smoking him out.”  He has not lived in a cave in years.
    What we have been told and reported on several occasions is that he was believed to be living in a series of walled compounds, mostly the mud-walled compounds that dot the landscape in Pakistan's tribal areas.  He would move only when his security forces, led by his brother-in-law, felt he needed to.

    He would spend months at the same location. The most common trigger for a move: a security breach that led to the death or capture of a high ranking al Qaida official. The U.S. learned of this from captured couriers after the fact.


    2. He needed dialysis.
    He never underwent dialysis, said U.S. officials. He had kidney stones, not kidney failure.  The former is treatable, the latter needs dialysis.  Bin Laden did have low blood pressure and an enlarged heart.

    3. That al-Qaida has a doomsday plan to launch attacks if he was killed. 
    U.S. intelligence has never believed that. When they are ready, they attack. They don't wait.

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    "He never underwent dialysis, said U.S. officials. He had kidney stones, not kidney failure. The former is treatable, the latter needs dialysis. Bin Laden did have low blood pressure and an enlarged heart."

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