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Palestinian schoolgirls walk past Israeli border policemen standing guard outside a Palestinian house in the center of Hebron in the occupied West Bank on Thursday after dozens of Jewish settlers took over the Palestinian property overnight, claiming they have legal ownership.
RAMALLAH, West Bank – Palestinian organizers are calling for massive demonstrations on Friday to mark Land Day, an annual event that commemorates the killing of six Arabs who were protesting Israeli land policies on March 30, 1976.
Tens of thousands are expected to participate in what organizers have billed a "Global March to Jerusalem." The plan is to have protesters from neighboring countries march up to the Israeli border to "demonstrate solidarity with Palestinians and to protect Jerusalem," according to organizers.
The future status of Jerusalem is at the heart of the Palestinian movement and is the theme for the global Land Day. East Jerusalem is regarded as the likely capital of a future Palestinian state.
Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, a Palestinian activist, explained some of the reasoning for the march to NBC News during a recent interview in Ramallah.
For Palestinian farmer, a constant reminder of Israeli occupation
For many Palestinians, Land Day is an annual opportunity to demonstrate that Palestinians inside Israel, the West Bank and Gaza are united and share common goals.
This year will mark 36 years since Israel’s practice of expropriating Arab land to build Jewish settlements provoked protests by Arab residents in the Galilee and Negev. In addition to the six people who were killed, over 100 wounded during the ensuing violence. Since then Palestinians have commemorated March 30 as Land Day and have turned the day into a general protest against what they see as discriminatory practices by the Israeli government. So it seemed an appropriate date for activists to hold their march.
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An Israeli settler looks out the window of an occupied Palestinian house as an Israeli soldier stands guard in the center of Hebron in the occupied West Bank on March 29, 2012. Dozens of Jewish settlers took over the Palestinian property overnight, claiming they have legal ownership.
"The Global March to Jerusalem represents three things," said Barghouti. "First of all, the unity of the Palestinian people, and their struggle to achieve freedom and end occupation, for Palestinians in and out of Palestine; second, it affirms the centrality of the issues of land and Jerusalem to achieving Palestinian freedom; and third, it provides international solidarity with the Palestinian cause."
'Absolutely peaceful'
The organizers plan to send convoys of vehicles to approach Israel's borders simultaneously from four neighboring countries: Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. According to organizers, more than 600 institutions from 64 states have been involved in planning the march. Protests are also planned outside Israeli embassies in Europe and Arab countries. Organizers say they are hoping for 1 million people to demonstrate in various protests all over the world.
"The event is meant to be a non-violent protest that will include parliament members, citizens and religious figures from all over the world – including Jews, Israelis will also protest with us," Saied Yaqin, one of the march organizers, told NBC News.
Organizers of the march insist the protests will be orderly.
"This march is absolutely peaceful and non-violent, and we will try everything possible to prevent violence," Barghouti said. "Of course, if they use violence against us, the world should protest. But the march is absolutely peaceful and nobody will try to provoke violence."
But Israeli Defense Forces aren’t taking any chances.
A statement released by the IDF said they are "prepared for any eventuality and will do whatever is necessary to protect Israeli borders and residents."
Israel has also issued a stern warning to Arab countries and Palestinians to refrain from approaching the border.
Soldiers along the border have been instructed to be on high alert and they will reportedly have crowd-dispersal means at the ready and will also deploy marksmen. According to a Haaretz report, a so-called "skunk" device is being prepared that sprays a harsh-smelling substance at demonstrators.
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Good for Israel! It has the right to do everything necessary to defend its people, its cities, and its borders.
Israel doesn't have any borders - it sits on land belonging to the Palistinians.
The State Of Israel hasn't declared it's official borders, so what is it you are talking about?
"Defending" means stealing more land, as much land, as The State Of Israel can.
"Defending" means creating war so that it can steal, oppress, threaten, intimidate and increase it's hegemony.
When you say "right" you mean might.
When the Jordanians and Egyptians controlled the so-called West Bank and the Gaza Strip for 19 years (1948 to 1967), there was never a thought of giving the disorganized mass of “migrant workers” a state. Why? Because they knew there was no cohesive, homogeneous people known as “Palestinians.”
By all eyewitness accounts of that era, Palestine was a total desolation. There were virtually no trees and no people. Because of lack of trees, the weather changed and it rarely ever rained. The irrigation systems of the once fertile valleys were all destroyed, rendering most areas into malaria-ridden swamps. The terraces of the mountainsides were torn down, causing terrible erosion that left only barren rocks. This was the condition of Palestine by the beginning of the 19th century.
It was at this time that Jews began to flee severe persecutions in Russia and Eastern Europe. In the mid-1800s, some Jews came to Palestine and, with the generous aid of some successful Jews like the Rothschilds, began to buy property from Muslim Ottoman Turks. The Muslims thought the land was worthless anyway, so they sold it to the “dumb Jews” for extremely inflated prices.
To everyone’s amazement, the Jews were very successful at reclaiming the land. Many of them died from malaria and the rigorous life the work demanded, but they performed an agricultural miracle that made the land very productive again. As a result of their success, poor migrant workers from the surrounding Muslim countries began to flood in to work for the Jews. The Jews literally became victims of their own success – almost all of the people calling themselves “Palestinians” today are the descendants of those migrant workers.
-Hal Lindsey's book "Everlasting Hatred: The Roots of Jihad,"
Looks like Israel is preparing to shoot itself in the geo-political foot again.
Sounds like a revision of history Fed up. Listing questionable sources doesent prove anything.
Thank you for your post it is good to see someone do their homework before making comments that have no basis in fact. Another good book to read is, "Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel Huntington which explains the history of Islam in the Middle East.
Good for the Palestinians! They are choosing the appropriate means to show the facist, violent state that Israel has become.This will work because I believe in the hearts of every Israeli is an understanding of what it means to not have a homeland. I also believe that in their hearts Israelis are a good people.The Palestinians need to appeal to this good side of Israel. Except for its relationship with the United States, Israel has no reliable friends and has isolated itself from the world. Sooner or later Israel is going to provoke an incident so repulsive and have such a terrible impact on America that even the American people will turn against Israel. The facist right wing of Israel needs to be defeated in elections in Israel...the people of Israel need to stand up, take back their country from the facists, seek peace with the Palestinians, and rejoin the world community.
This multinational group in support of Palestinian is the same group who appoints Israel the number one in violation of human rights and compares Ajmadenijhad to Mother Teresa. It is also the same international group that try to provide weapons to the Palestinians under pretext of humanitarian aid, this group in the new United Nations, led by anti-Semites and Socialists whose goal along with Iran is the destruction of Israel.
Palestinians (Definition): Those born in Palestine. Not hard to understand.
If only Isreal would get the conservatives out of their government, there could be a peaceful solution to this ongoing mess. Unfortunately, like here, the conservatives vail their penchant for bowing low to corporate interests and profits, in the guise of religion and nationalism.
Really, how does the continued trespass and wonton stealing of land outside of Isreal's borders help with any peace process? Only Netanyahu and his ilk know the answer.
reports Iranian-backed jihad groups are involved in planning the event.
U.S. endorsers of the Global March include President Obama’s controversial former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.; Cornel West, a longtime friend of Obama who served as an adviser to the president’s 2008 campaign; and Medea Benjamin, co-founder of the anti-war group Code Pink.
Weather Underground founder Bill Ayers, a close associate of Obama for years, helped originate the concept of creating border chaos for Israel in 2009.
The concept of provoking border chaos bears the handiwork of U.S. radical activists.
Beginning in 2010, international activists attempted to use flotillas to break Israel’s naval blockade of the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
In May 2010, a flotilla organized by the Free Gaza Movement and the Hamas-affiliated Turkish Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief was raided by Israel, resulting in deadly clashes in which nine activists were killed.
Activist leaders in the Free Gaza Movement include Ayers and his wife, former Weather Underground leader Bernardine Dohrn.
Ayers, Dohrn and Code Pink activists led several Free Gaza Movement initiatives, including attempted marches into the Gaza Strip.
The activists were behind provoking chaos on the streets of Egypt in December 2009 and January 2010 in an attempt to enter the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip to join in solidarity with the territory’s population and leadership.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/international-activists-to-storm-israels-borders-friday/?cat_orig=world
So Obama lies to Netanyahu about his desire for peace in Israel and his support? And what's with Obama’s open mic comments to Russia?
If they breach your boarders, send them to Allah...O'bama will back you up...hahahaha,, wait. Well, the US will back you
Dick Cheney is a distant relative of Obama. I guess he's involved with this march somehow, too?
Odd how you pinpoint Obama's association with this questionable ilk. So, how would you portray those associated with, and responsible for killing thousands of American military personnel, and tens-of-thousands of civilians, and outing our CIA operatives for political gain? Guess Bush, Cheney, Wolfewitz, and Rumsfeld all get a pass in your accounting.
Palestine was never a country so that make Palestinians not a nationality. They are a group of Arabs that none of the surrounding Arab countries want to take in. Israel's borders were set after WWII, it's subsequent expansion was after it was attacked and claimed spoils from the losing countries.
"Palestine" was a region in ancient Syria. A region, not a country, not a state, but a region. That's equivalent to being a county (in the U.S.) or a province (most other countries that divide their countries into sub-governed regions). It would be like people in Bordeaux region of France saying they are Bordeaux-ites and that they are not part of France and demanding to be treated as an independent country. This is what happens when lack of education meets brain-washing movement leaders. It's just a way for the countries that lost land in the 6-day war to try and get it back without getting embarrassed again.
Sorry folks, you don't really have a country so your choices are to either become a citizen of Israel and follow the rules that are set forth by them or take your "migrant-worker" selves and go back to an Arab country.
with this idea in mind, i have no problem with an israeli march for the family that was slaughtered last year by 2 palestinians who hopped a fence and slit the throats of a bunch of kids (including an infant). google "israeli family murdered" and take a look at those pictures. when charged with their deaths, the palestinian men said they had no regrets and all jews deserve to die.
And they all fall under the umbrella gang known as Capitalists.
Since 1948 Israel is as much a countryas any in the world.The Arabs who lived in the area were offered their own country also to reflect their historical reality to go along with the Jewish homeland.They couls have become a nrw modern nation state along with Jordan,Kuwait,Lebanon Iraq,Iran .. formerly Persia and other countries in the mideast that were formerly part of the ottoman Empire.They Arabs blew it in 48 and are still blowing it.This march like the boat people sailing on Gaza is an attempt to deflect attention from the fact that they refused a state in 1948.The settlements can be negotiated. Israel .like the other new countries can t be negotiated.Or should we return all of them to tht New Ottoman Empire.No more Jordan. Lebanon.Iraq.Syria.This is just another publicity stunt by the Arabs who rewrite history and invent things. It shloud be treated as such!
Stand your ground Israel! God has promised that land to you and no Bedouin tribe will take it from you.
JK- Socialism is the opposite of Capitalism...you may want to check on your synonyms.
JK from PA # 1.15
I did't know that "Medical" Marijuana is allowed in PA. You have no idea what are you talking.
Israel apparently IS NOT going to give up this land, WON WHILE AT WAR, and now belongs to Israel!
You can argue the point till your last breath, but if the Palestinians would have NOT STARTED fighting with Israel in the 1st place, they would still have that land.
How many Hundreds maybe Thousands by now, Rockets have been shot into Israel? H3LL they don't even aim them, as long as they land in Israel and KILL Someone, anyone, Men, Women or even Children, they are happy!!!
If you think the Palestinians still own this land, we better go all the way back to WW1 and return ALL THE LAND EVER TAKEN BY ANY COUNTRY THAT EVER TOOK LAND IN OTHER WARS! Want to talk RUSSIA, for starters!
If it were my decision, I'd shut down Gaza, totally, move every single Palestinian to the West Bank. Build a 15ft wall around that border and lay land mines for 100 yards. Close all crossings and forget about them. Israel owes them NOTHING.
Israel is not about to give up land so strategic to their security and allow the Palestinians to start again, where they were before the WAR...remember that word WAR....These people would ERASE Israel from the map, if they EVER have the chance, and Israel knows it!!!
It's been said a thousand times, but I'll say it again:
If the Palestinians were to lay down their arms, there would be Peace,
If Israel were to lay down their arms, there would be NO Israel.
May God bless Israel and deliver them from the hand of the wicked which seek their destruction.
When are you and FEDUPWITHFED going to get it? Read the truth! The 1967 war was a preemtive strike by the Israelis. They started the war and have taken Palestine illegally!!! They have Arabs living in the land they have conquered???? and then treat them like dirt. It is an absolute Apartheid State! GET THE FACTS!!! Israel is not the Israel of the Bible! They are the Israel of the Racist Zionist!
Hugh- read comment #1.13
Your arguement is non-existent. Palestine never existed as an independent statehood so there was no land stolen from them.
Fed, I loved your first post of the history of Palestine and the Jewish immigrants in the 1800s working successfully to change the climate of the geographic area that is now called Palestine with the financial support of the Rothschilds. I'll have to see it myself. Can you get me a Palestinian Visa?
We heard you the first time Hugh, the only thing twisted is your version of it.
The United States is involved in the Middle East for one reason and one reason only, oil. When the wells run dry the US will run away and leave the spoils to the wolves. It is an absolutely brutal part of the world where oppression reigns. Control over the sands has shifted many times through history, and they will shift many times to come. They do not know nor do they care to get along, hatred is taught in schools and through religion. Hopefully their desire for destruction, total annihilation, and their thirst for dominance stays in the sandbox.
So Arabs once again failed to learn the lesson not to mess with Israel. It's that simple: you play with fire, you get burned.
Hugh Class, Good Post and I like the comparison about the zionist mafia. I have always maintained that
the extremeists in the Middle East could be contained like the Mafia in America. Another good book to read
is Jerusalem, Jerusalem, by James Carroll. Also Jerusalem Poker by Edward Whittemore and BTW
my father was a gambler.and may he rest in peace.
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
The correct solution would be to return to one state, which is the original zionist solution started by Begin and Airle Sharon in the 1940s. What they wanted was to assimiliate the migrnt workers, later known as Palestinains into their culture, then destroying their history from within, so to speak.
From the above article:
"Stop buying into what Sharon claims Israel "has to do" and look at what Israel has actually done. The maps tell the story of a nation eager to conquer lands which do not belong to it. Israel has invaded virtually every nation it shares borders with, including Syria and Lebanon, and as the map above shows has almost conquered Palestine and is ready to "ethnically cleanse" the region. Far from being the poor victimized society desperately defending itself Israel likes to pretend it is in order to wrest more money from Americans, Israel is in fact the most militarily aggressive nation in the region."
It's 10:01 AM EDT, let's see how long it takes for this to get collapsed!
They already have their alibi printed by the press, ready to go.
"We were just hurling rockets...errr...rocks, that's it, rocks, and they shot at us for no reason!"
Hugh- So what you are saying is that the people now occupying Gaza and West Bank need to move on since they have no right to be there. Thanks for proving me right. I would stop with the mafia thing though. it makes you sound like a nut.
Judaism has ties to that region and more specifically the area originally decreed to be the "new Israel" after WWII. You will find references in Greek and Roman writings along with references to a REGION in southern Syria called Palestine.
On the other hand you will NEVER find an ancient script mentioning the boundaries, political views/workings, economic impact or currency of a country named Palestine. There has never been an independent country state of Palestine. These people are just migrant workers that the countries they came from don't want back so they settled where they were and now think they are owed something. Actually sounds familiar, is this what the Mexicans have planned for the U.S. ? Invade illegally, leach off our system and then demand land be allocated for their own country of new old mexico?
Look. The nation of Isreal exists just like every other nation-state on earth exists because a group of people (usually ethnically/religiously/racially related) took land forcibly from those who lived there before and formed some kind of government to rule over themselves. The U.S. took land from the native peoples living here. Great Britain had all kinds of waves of immigration over recorded history. The Picts, Saxons, Angles, Normans, etc. Same with France and Spain and Western Europe. Eastern European countries have seen so many different tribes and groups of people immigrate into and out of their countries over the past 2,000 years you could spend a lifetime studying the waves of conquest. Same with the history of China and India.
Are we going to demand that all Norman descendent land owners in Great Britain repatriate their land holdings to the Angles or Saxon descendents that were there before? Their forefathers took that land by force...they "stole" it, right?
Wrong. When a people win territory in an open war, and then they have the military & political power to hold it against all other claims, and they set up a government, then it belongs to that people. We can feel sorry for the Native Americans...we can feel sorry for the Incans who were conquered by the Spanish...we can feel sorry for the Tibetans. But the only way these groups are going to regain what belonged to them at one point is through open warfare or the destruction of the new civilization.
That is world history. That is science of politics...power. That is the history of every single state and country in the world. End of story.
So it always makes me laugh when I hear people talking about Isreal/Palestine issue and say "Isreal has 'stolen' the Palestinians land and it is the fault of the British and the U.N." Ummm...no...sure the U.N. and G.B. may have sanctioned the new state of Isreal in the beginning, but it was only won through numerous battles and open warfare and the sacrifice of Isreali lives and the shedding of blood. Just like every other country in world history was born. It will remain a soverign country ruling its own affairs until someone else takes it from them. It can be pressured diplomatically, you can levy sanctions, refuse to trade, cut off communications, etc. But you shouldn't expect them to give back what they won through war anymore than you should expect New Yorkers to give their city and state back to Native Americans...or how about giving Texas and the entire Southwest back to Mexico? We "stole" it through war not that long ago, right?
So unless, the world decides that Isreal should cease to exist and we all dedicate huge military resources to invade and conquer their country (they have significant military prowess btw), then it is never going to happen. This is the issue that Arab and Palestinian leaders refuse to accept. They somehow believe if the U.S. public opinion would just turn against Isreal, then it will capitulate and give back land? One thing I've learned in this life that you can bank on and that is Isreal is going to do exactly what Isreal wants to do wheather we agree with it or not.
@Chef80- Up until a few years ago there was no country called South Sudan, but there is today. In 1947 there was no country on the map named Israel, but now there is, so what the hell is your point. Read any accepted history on pre-mandate and pre-partition Palestine and you will know the truth. Jews made up only around 30% of the population(afetr mass illegal immigration) and only owned 7% of the land, yet the partition gave them 55% of the land, including the coastal plains. Why the hell would the Arabs, both Christian and Muslim accept that? They had been living and working these lands for thousands of years and you would have them just relinquish it because you think it was the right thing to do. The Palestinians were made to pay for the crimes of Europe and continue to pay for those crimes. It's funny an obviously ignorant bigot like you would call the Palestinians migrant workers from other countries when every historian will tell you that these people were here for generations before and after the Soah. On the other hand what percentage of Israelis can claim to be fourth or fifth generation? Most Israelis are recent transplants from the former Soviet Union. Get a clue and read some facts before you spew you bullsh*it!
Go Go Palestine..May God Be with you.. May Allah help speed up your freedom...
Since Israel does not believe in freedom, neither free Palestinians People.. US should not support Israel at all!!
No freedom No support.
US have made clear to the world that US will stand with democracy and freedom, except when it comes to Israel we do not apply our US laws and believe on them! why? it s a million dollar question..
JK in PA,
Do not blame it on conservatives and being rich here. Who do you think runs the Democratic Party? Rich Business people and Oilies who could care about as much as the rich conserv's do. And if you go way back in history (Biblical even) and follow it up to today, Israel has more right to the land then anyone else.
2 deleted, Airborn7 derailing about how bad Palestinians smell and calling all of them 'maggots'. Don't smear everyone in a nationality [or, in this special case, the equivalent].
You're suspended for a week for violating #5 of the Code of Honor.
Stewgotts- There has never been a country of Palestine so there is no land to give back to them. That is the argument that the are standing by. I have read about Palestine....the Palestine region of southern Syria. so technically they are Syrian not Palestinian. Get your history straight. Then there is the FACT that Israel was re-created(say it again, RE-CREATED) out of the spoils of war just as it was conquered centuries before. Yes, winners take what they want and losers go packing or accept what's been given to them.
We had enough crap from the followers of Islamic cult.
Is there any non-Muslim nation, which these liabilities and curses have left from their troubles?
If Muslims feel they are discriminated or something else, why don't they just move back to some Muslim nation?
Here Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and their Sunni highly extremist Salaffi and Wahhabi versions have proved to be biggest dangers for world peace.
For world peace, we should bring these two (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) international liabilities to ground zero.
Let Palestinians or anyone with problems can move to those nations and build them from ground zero.
Instead of destroying, let the Muslims learn how to build also!
Who We Are And Who We Are Not
By 1946 all the countries that surround Palestine had gained their independence and delineated their borders in their respective constitutions.
That, in itself, defined Palestine.
Never mind the name was first coined by the Greek historian Herodotus around 400BC, never mind every map drawn ever since called the area Palestine, never mind the British calling their administration of that territory the Mandate for Palestine in which article 25 makes it clear no other territories will be added to it, including Transjordan for which the British established a totally separate administration for it.
And never mind the cities of Jerusalem, Meggido, Ashkelon, Jericho, Hebron, Shiloh, Beershebah, Bethel, etc. were ALL FOUNDED, BUILT AND CREATED BY THE CANAANITES AT LEAST 800 YEARS BEFORE ANY JEWS SET FOOT ON THEM.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before the 1948 War came over AFTER WW2.
When the Arabs came to our aid during that war it was after the Zionist terrorist groups had already expelled over 300,000 Palestinians. These terror groups were so ruthless they managed to expel an additional 500,000 Palestinians and erase over 400 Palestinian villages and towns even after the Arabs intervened.
The state of Israel was established with the help of its terror groups (the Irgun, the Hagannah, the Lehi, the Stern Gang, etc) all of whom had members who either were elected as Prime Ministers of Israel, or chosen to became members of the cabinet by the ruling parties.
Israel didn't have a Prime Minister who was born in Israel until 1996, and by then 7 of the 9 PMs it had were all born outside of Palestine.
The reason we didn't establish Palestine when Gaza was under Egyptian control and the West Bank under Jordanian control was because we wanted to keep the integrity of Palestine as articulated in the 1964 PLO Charter:
"Article 21. The Palestine people believes in the principle of justice, freedom, sovereignty, self-determination, human dignity, and the right of peoples to practice these principles. It also supports all international efforts to bring about peace on the basis of justice and free international co-operation."
"Article 22. The People of Palestine believe in peaceful coexistence on the basis of legal existence, for there can be no coexistence with aggression, nor can there be peace with occupation and colonialism."
And even if we did establish a state back then Israel would have gone ahead with its goal of conquering all of Palestine and "transfering the Palestinians" as they've been saying in everyone of their Zionist manisfestos since the late 1800's, starting with The Jewish State by Theordor Herzl.
Damn if we do, and damn if we don't.
The best peace offer Israel ever made would have that country in complete control of all the borders of Palestine, all of its airspace, all of its coastline, and over 80% of its water resources.
International law calls for the end to all military occupation within reasonable time regardless of how the occupied people feel about it, including Hamas.
Hamas is a political party just like all the other Israeli political parties that call for the expulsion of Palestinians or the prevention of a Palestinian state and that run in every Israeli election and have been part of pretty much ever Israeli cabinet.
Hamas is made up of people who have been born into a ruthless military occupation, have gone to school, married and work under it and who're now watching their children and grandchildren and great granchildren being born, going to school, marrying and working (if at all possible) under the same ruthless military occupation.
You gotta have some balls to invalidate our existance in Palestine, question our humanity, tell us what our history is and is not, who we are and who we are not, and what belongs and doesn't belong to us.
Rick in VA- So god's a real estate agent now??? God told them this land was for them? If so, why doesn't he tell EVERYONE who's land is who's so that we won't have anymore conflicts in the world?? Religion should not determine land ownership....
This would be a good thing IF everyone who was there didn't do anything but march and protest. Of course, we all know that violence is probably going to start up somewhere.
Global Marches to Jerusalem is the name by the way and it is being co-sponsored by Iran- they even had a drawing competition who can be the best in DEJUDACIZING not only Jerusalem but to free the whole 'Palestine' from Israeli occupation (it is- no more the State of Israel at all- no more Hebrews there at all). The caravan from Aisan countries- Pakistan,India,Malaysia,Indonesia,Iran got more members from Turkey (the Mara Marmara-with tacit approval from Erdogan g'ment and sponsorship (Fars News)- their ship was detained in Lebanon thru which they want to march to Jerusalem to dejudaicize and free 'Palestine'. Jordan is not trying to dissuade these people either- they are allowed. syria already has a part of the Asian and local PFLP people ready to rumble and attack. In Morocco they forced the Israeli diplomat to leave EU/Maghreb conference - there were hordes of demonstrators- subsequently an old Jew was beaten dead with a hammer in Fez. Since Pres.Obama's 20+ years spiritual adviser Jeremiah Wright is one of the sponsors of GMJ- it should be no wonder that US/State dept. refuses to list or ackowledge that Jerusalem is the capitol of Israel.
Im sure Iran is happy with this global march however you overlook the fact this is a very popular for the everyday citizen in these states, getting rid of the dictatorships in the middle east will put more pressure on those governments to push Israel to stop their occupation of land and discrimination of the occupied people as well. Our unquestioned support of Israel has earned us the enmity of most in the middle east, since it allows Israel to be unanswerable to any of its actions. Our first veto in the United Nations was over Israel, how much foreign aid do we give and what do we get in return, nothing but more hate.
mimi, close. But this protest is actually a Commie plot to convert Israelis to Hinduism.
A bit paranoid, mimi? Sold your sole to the rightwing religious nationalists? Really, an Iranian conspiracy? Look folks, how the hell is Iran actually a threat to the US? This gorilla chest-pounding bravado constantly portrayed by rightwing idiots lacking proper "endowment" is another attempt to start a war in the guise of WMD so we can whore our military out to the oil companies, again.
Christ, prying common sense from these "conservatives" is like having to lecture basic history to Sarah Palin.
Try cursing in the name of the deity of other major world religions and see where that gets you!
Good post Mimi!.And it[s not only Jews but all the Christians and other religions that are threatened by extinction in the Muslim areas.In some places like Egypt many Muslims protect the Coptic Christians against the Muslim terrorists ...And Morroco in spite of a growing Islamc terrorism problem it still tries to defend the Christian and Jews living there.and convicted Islamic terrorists to death as Jordan did.But these seem exceptions.The state of Israel is the best hope not only Jews but for Chrsitians in the area.Jerusalem must remain undivided and for 3 relgions.Only Israel can do that.When Jordan controlled the old city they violated evey international agreement.They made peace with Israel without demanding that the old city return to them or be part of a Palestine state.The Arabs and Muslims have no claim on the old city of Jerusalem Or again.. let[s divide Mecca and Medina and give one a Christian part and another a Jewish half.See what the Muslims say about that!! .
j.k et al. I only use prelavent info-fatcs. Start with http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010175486 Global Movement to Jerusalem sets up National Committee in Gaza-GMJ spokesman Majid Alzubad- 20 different nations (2012-02-21) ; http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/-articleasp?cu_no=2&item_no=488190 Jerusalem experts in Qatar- The International Conference for the Defvence of Jerusalem,hosted by Qatar (Feb.21,2012); http://english/farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9012151491 (2012-03-10) World VIPs unite for Global March to Jerusalem- signatories. Just to give you a gist- no European,Israeli or American sources- tyheir very own sources. Same in Jordanian Times- Egyptian newspapers, Gulf Times (Qatar). Read all the sources possible; make up your own mind.
Jerusalem belongs to Jews. Jews were the original people there. We should see that genocides don't pay.
However on Iran and Syria, I totally disagree.
Iran and Syria (Shiites) and Saudi Arabia and Arab League (Sunnis) are their internal Islamic religious purification battles.
Saudi Arabia and co, oil companies, Jewish right like Netanyahos, Christian right and others are dragging the US, British and others into their sectarian battles like Saddam.
This make them richer by manipulating oil prices to high levels as during Iraqi wars.
If Saddam was there, what was there for the US, British and other non-Muslim nations to lose?
Even Netanyahos should have some patience. Let the Shiites and Sunnis settle their long standing scores.
We, infidels, should keep away from their internal battles. Why get burnt getting in between them?
@jonathan, if you move out of your house, can you claim its yours years later and move back in? No, the original jews left, nobody but israel reconizes the borders.
its time for the crap to stop and both sides sit down and either come up with 2 states on 67ish borders or become one state with equal rights for all. think about it, when you go to buy a car do you negotiate for 20 years? enough is enough, time to either $h!t or get off the pot
Actuallllyyy.... The Canaanites were the first people there. Canaanites now identify as Arabs. And the Arabs in the region? Palestinians. (source: wikipedia)
And to make things even funnier is that they are basically genetically indistinguishable.
So the struggle between them is basically political and who was there first is kind of a moot point since they are all the same people.
Rawr -
The proto-canaanites lived in these hills but did not build cities.
"According to Jewish tradition, the city was founded by Shem and Eber, ancestors of Abraham. In the biblical account, Jerusalem ("Salem") when first mentioned is ruled by Melchizedek, an ally of Abraham (identified with Shem in legend). Later, in the time of Joshua, Jerusalem lay within territory allocated to the tribe of Benjamin (Joshua 18:28), but continued to be under the independent control of the Jebusites until it was conquered by David and made into the capital of the united Kingdom of Israel (c. 11th century BCE).[60][61][v] Recent excavations of a Large Stone Structure and a nearby Stepped Stone Structure are widely believed[by whom?] to be the remains of King David's palace. The excavations have been interpreted by some archaeologists as lending credence to the biblical narrative, while others disagree." (same source)
Why is everyone is ganging up on "Israel policy" when they capture the land while defending themselves? Noone, Not a single person here, would have asked the arabs to return land, or the US for that matter, had the arabs been the victor.
In fact the arabs are occupying the ME from the Ottoman Empire. They should return it.
The world should remember the Armenians who are massacred by the Turks, just for asking for their homeland back. What is "Israel policy" that bothers you so much? They returned land to Egypt for a worthless piece of paper called "peace", and returned Gaza and what did they get? Rockets!
That is why Israel cannot afford to make the same mistake twice.
You want Israel back to pre 1967 borders? Israel WAS in pre 1967 borders before the 1967 war.
So why were they were threatened and attacked? What changed? If the Arabs get what they had before, they will all be buddies? Only a naive person, or an idiot like Obama would believe that.
The United States is involved in the Middle East for one reason and one reason only, oil. When the wells run dry the US will run away and leave the spoils to the wolves. It is an absolutely brutal part of the world where oppression reigns. Control over the sands has shifted many times through history, and they will shift many times to come. They do not know nor do they care to get along, hatred is taught in schools and through religion. Hopefully their desire for destruction, total annihilation, and their thirst for dominance stays in the sandbox.
Palestinians??!! Who cares.
@ All of you idiots that think you know what you are talking about but have no clue! @Bart- The Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren recently wrote an article in the Washignton Post about how great Israel was for the Christians. One little hitch. Members of every major Christian Church and Christian orginization in Palestine and around the world called bullsh*t on the article and said plain and clear that they stand with their Muslim brother and the OCCUPATION has done the most damage to Christians in Palestine. Just look at all the illegal settlements surrounding Bethlehem. A recent survey showed that the Christians fear the Israelis more than their Muslim neighbors, and those living in the West Bank cannot vist Christian sites in Jerusalem.
@Jonathan- What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know?
@Justified Defiance - Read a book. The 1967 war began with a pre-emptive strike by Israel. Hard to bomb all of the Egyptian Air Force than claim self-defense. Either way it would be irrelevant. Security Council Resolution 242 states that land CANNOT be taken by force as does the Geneva Convention. You ask would the Arabs or the USA give the land back? Well I think that answer is pretty obvious. Germany and Japan are not the 51st and 52nd state, so there's your answer. The Israelis returned the Siani to Egypt and got over 30 years of Peace in regards to Egypt. Its funny that your obviously too stupid to see the irony in your comment about the Armenians. The Palestinans are being massacered simply for asking for their land back, and yes it is their land. The last time I checked the bible wasn't a land deed and the Palestinians were there for much longer.
Stewgotts,
Link! On all the Christian Churches around the world stood by their Muslim Brothers against Israel! I just do not remember the Catholic or Baptist Church taking the Muslim side there. Or outwardly Israel's, as far as that goes.
Stewgotts,
On your third point to 'Justified Defiance', you have to remember that in the Bible, God gave all the land in question to the Israelites (Jews) as their 'home land'. And that is what they say they believe and go by. So I would think in that frame of mind, God trumps deeds, Security Council Resolution's, Geneva Convention, and who may have been living there during that time period. So they are just claiming what is rightfully theirs in the first place. Just pointing out and saying...
Israeli thievery of other people's land is a total shame. These folks will never be able to peacefully coexist with their neighbors.
@CBurroughs - I understand that in your little myopic pea brain you might actually believe the bullsh*t you're saying, but consider the fact that a majority of the World's population do not believe in YOUR God making your claim null in void. Since you want to use that argument though I could point out that before the creation of Israel the Ultra-Orthodox Jews all opposed the State. Now why would the most religious among them oppose the state if it was God's plan like you state? Maybe because good Jews who follow the Torah and Talmud know that the land should not have been reclaimed until a sign from God was given, which they don't believe it was. I also think this is funny coming from a Christian. Your support of Israel is premised on the fact that you believe it will bring about the Second coming of Christ and lead to the death of just about all these Jews you feign interest in.
@CB - Just google Christian response to ambassador Oren. Don't make others do your homework. If you want to enter an adult conversation bring facts, not the Bible.
@ stewgotts why don't you just go over to the middle east and tell Israel what you really think of them instead of sitting behind a computer screen judging people who are scared for their lives.
So stewgotts thinks he's contributing to an adult conversation when he calls someone a pea brain because they disagree with him........
@rawr -- "source: wikipedia" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
stewgotts: One who considers others as idiots is the biggest idiot.
You are proving with you posts! Hope you are sane and can think rationally.
What the hell is Barghouti out of jail for? He is a murderer! Hang him.
Henry... i looked at that too... but once i read the first name, its a different Barghouti. (Marwan is the one in Jail)
5 deleted, kobra with a one-liner about 'the rabid rats on high alert'. Banned, most of the rest of their history was personal attacks or smears on Jews.
Yes! I agree that Israel has the right to self-defense. But, because Israel's building of settlements in the West Bank occupied territories is VOLUNTARY, the Palestinian people have the right to peacefully protest and to do what they can to rally world public opinion to their quest for an independent state.
So long as Israel violates International Law (Geneva conventions regarding occupied territories,) Israel must accept the consequences.
All of that land originally belonged to the Jews for the lord gave it to them they don't need a deed.
Of course the Palestinians have the right to protest. But, from my observation, these things tend to get out of hand... it only take a handful of Palestinians to run up at the border throwing rocks to stir up a frenzy... and then what do you think Israel will do then? It's a recipe for another international disaster against Israel.
Alright Ellie. Prove it.
could you please tell your god to give me some land too.
Palestinian people have unending demands. They want Israel, then Greece and so on!
We are at cross-roads.
Jews need to have some patience.
Keep a mile away from Iran and Syria business. Iraq ventures were too much of losses from all sides.
If we all infidels keep away, then Shiites and Sunnis will do what they like and do best: kill each other.
In Syria, Saudis' al-Qaida is supporting Syrian rebels. Syria and Iran are no doubt sponsors of Hezbollah.
So when al-Qaida and Hezbollah get busy in Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Arab League nations what are the problems of Jews, Christian right and other Saudi and oil companies puppets?
If required let us arm them both. Any how, Ronald Ragan armed Iranians against Saddam!
I don't think this march is going to change anything, except to continually incite enmity.
There is no such thing as international law. There is only one law - to the victor goes the spoils. Israel won the war, the war which was provoked by the Arabs. Therefore, Israel has the right to determine the fate of the captured territories. The Arabs who provoked and lost the war have no rights. Those Arabs continue to be a threat to Israel, and Israel must therefore do whatever they feel is necessary to mitigate that threat. Independence, annexation, or continue the occupation forever - it is Israel's choice.
The Israeli settlements are not on land that was "stolen" from Arabs, although as noted above, the Arabs lost the right to determine their own future and the future of their land when they provoked and lost the war with Israel. No, the settlements are on land that was previously empty. Now that the Israeli's have made the empty wasteland productive, the terrorist Arabs want it!
@Ed- That might be nice in Ed's world, but here in the real world we do have International Law, including UNSC resolutions that are legally binding. Im sure you have never heard of such things, but one of those resolution, 242 to be exact starts off by saying that it does not recognize the aquistion of land by force. You sir are simply a racist which is very evident in the fact that you say the Arabs have no right to self-determination. The settlements were on land that was previously empty? Where do you idiots come from? Hebron was one of the largest Arab cities with a population of over 100,000 and now is surrounded and seperated by illegal settlements. Get a clue. This is why most stupid-ass Americans support Israel, because they don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about but swear their experts. Read a book on pre-partition Palestine and come back when you have a clue. Oh and by the way Israel launched a suprise attack on Egypt and thats what started the 1967 war, but Im sure you already knew that
Toasty McGrath,
Read your Bible, and look at the original maps of Israel.
Stewgotts,
Are you a Muslim, hiding behind a stupid book, you keep quoting and a sheet? The Jews are enforcing their God Givin Right. Not a Race thing... OMG what a Fool you are...
And before anyone asks me, I'm Irish Protestant. But thank some of you so much for thinking I'm a Jew.
Im the fool who references books with things called facts, while you use a fairytale to justify the oppression of one group over another. Hahahaha...........I thought the Jews considered themselves a race dumb f*ck! I didn't know God gave people the right to steal from others than kill them in droves if they protest. Great God you got jackass!
Oh well that makes since. You have already dispossesed your Catholic brothers so now you support the Jews doing the same to the Arab Christians and Muslims. Thanks for that clarification
CB, the Bible is a fairy tale. I need real-life grown-up evidence.
The claim of the Jewish people to the land of Israel can be found in the documents of the United Nations.
It's not an imaginary friend of Jewish people. It's the UN. do you think the UN is a deity ?
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/res181.asp recognition of the modern nation state of Israel becomes fact in 1947.it was determined at this time ,that due to the Jewish peoples connection to the land of Israel,that they,the Jewish inhabitants, had the right of self determination. No imaginary friends were involved at all.
This Islamic claim, on the other hand, is from an imaginary friend.
'allah' the imaginary friend of a pedophile (Mohammad) some consider a prophet.
Mohammad sent letters to the neighbouring kings or rulers expressing his personal desire that they submit to his will. One such letter can be found here. This is the justification for the conquest of the Byzantine empire, that included, at that time, the land known as Israel.
I'm not sure you read Ellie's post, KPR...
CBurroughs: You raised a right question about stewgotts.
You got the answer from him: Hahahaha..
Some Muslims do looting, raping, stealing and killings. Then other Muslims do the Hahahaha...
Most of them believe in one-way streets and their brain is clogged by their right to left book. So when they can't give arguments, they start abusing.
You can march all you want GOD wins in the end he never changes and never will. GOD will never forsake his land or his people. As we get closer to end times tension will grow and so will violence around the world and it will be against Israel as GOD predicted nothing surprising just more truth from the Bible which is his word. Soon GOD will return and all this anger will be crushed by the Master.
You worship Satan.
willard go take your medicine - you are really crazy out there! Israel is a terrorist state who continually threatens others - that is why Israel is so hated - and don't give us that "we are the supreme race" cr*p. We didn't buy it with Hitler and certainly not with Israel either.
How come Israel has never committed any acts of terrorism and has only retaliated, never being the aggressor?
USS Liberty and countless others were acts of good will, you @!$%#turd?
arithehun
I have to admit, that made my jaw drop.
Are you really that ignorant, or are you a troll?
arithehum, what about the Irish aid ship Israel hijacked and seized a few months ago? The ONLY nation in the world who can stomach Israeli sociopathic practices is the USA.
J P=====you are the Satan worshiper and are an atheist.
You know Willard, did it ever occur to you that it's silly fairy tales like that that have led to all this bloodshed?
irene, I challenge you to do some critical thinking about why Israel is "so hated." I expect you're mostly referring to the negative information put out by the media and the U.N. Did you know that the same U.N. committee that hands out those condemnations is mostly dominated by Muslim countries and small communist countries? The Muslim countries want to discredit Israel and the communist countries want to embarrass the U.S. by discrediting their ally. The same committee that has handed out a couple hundred condemnations to Israel hasn't handed any out to China or North Korea and any of the other oppressive countries. If you look at it simply as a scale of people killed by government (of which Israel is guilty of a few thousand and received over 200 condemnations) and China (which is responsible for several million and has received 0 condemnations), you'd realize something is fishy.
My father visited Israel a few months ago and was amazed by the religious tolerance and acceptance in the country. Muslims and Jews sitting together at a cafe, chatting about work... Jews guarding the holy sites of the Muslims and the Christians just to make sure no Zionist or other extremist could cause an international incident by vandalizing these monuments... honestly, Israel has made a tremendous effort to keep the peace. And within their own borders, it's been working quite well. But the whole Palestinian issue is - more or less - a proxy war being fought by Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and others. Did you know there's entire empty towns on the border of Jordan? They were built in anticipation of massive immigration that never happened. Jordan could certainly offer them to the Palestinians and solve the issue, but they don't. Why? Again, because it's all about discrediting Israel and putting them in an embarrassing spot. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, Israel won that territory through a war and has every right to evict every soul on it if they so choose. They shouldn't, but they could. And they don't because they want to maintain the peace and don't want to alienate their allies with this decision. Seems to me they're showing tremendous restraint.
So all your talk about Israel being a terrorist state is just a load of manure. Constantly threatens others? With pre-emptive strikes, maybe. And usually that's reserved for countries who threaten them. Iran, for example, who has openly called for the destruction of Israel. Threatening the Palestinians, then? Israel generally refrains from retaliation against Palestine, even though terrorists frequently launch missiles into the country. Do you even remember the school bus incident? And when they do respond, they do so with as much precision is possible in such a densely packed region. It certainly doesn't help that the terrorists they target are hiding with civilians as human shields. Heck, half of Palestine is actually governed by an organization on the U.S. terror list! So who's the terrorists?
One cannot worship Satan and be an atheist. Logically and mutually exclusive.
Noryc
Was there a country called Israel about 70 years ago?
Pat
No, the new Israel is only about 64 years old. It was considered a British territory starting in 1917 - conquered with the help of Zionists - and Ottoman before even that. Go back to the era of the Roman Empire and beyond, and yes there was.
@Noryc - So you don't consider the creation of 750,000 refugees as a result of the State of Israel an injustice. How about the fact that an Arab who was born and raised in Jaffa cannot return to the home he legally owns, but a man from Moldovia can move to Israel for the first time, right into that Arab man's house. You talk about the UN but you fail to mention that General Assambley resolutions are non-binding and Israel has an automatic veto in the Security Council in the Form of the USA. Even so UNSC resolutions, which are legally binding have called for allowing the refuges to return and the return of territories occupied in 1967, niether of which has been done. The whole world, including the USA condems the settlements and states that they are illegal, yet Israel builds. I have just one simple question. Without referencing the Bible can you actually tell me what legal claim the Jews had to Palestine in 1948 considering they were a minority of the population and only owned around 7% of the land.
J.P, irene-2033073, ellie-333426, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
The State Of Israel does not want Peace.
End of story.
Then why have they given away so much land in exchange for "peace", a promise broken continually?
arithehum,
Puuleeez, I recognize that you are intentionally pitching slowballs for people to knock out of the park; but, knock it off! I have flagged your posts as "No Value" - they truly are. Stop bothering people.
"End of story" has got to be the dumbest ending to comments that I've ever come across. The implication is that the person commenting knows everything, that there's nothing further to discuss, and that the rest of us should just stop commenting and move on to another article.
J.P. Israel does not want peace because their religion dictates that they are to be the VICTIMS of the world until their savior comes. They will ensure their victimization even if they need to provoke others. This ideology and practice is recognized by the psychiatric-medical professionals and is listed as a diagnosis called Borderline Personality Disorder
Well, they want peace, but they also want to keep the homes they stole in 1948. Unfortunately, you can't have both.
The homes the "stole"? Those Arabs left on their own. They have no right to return. What about the Jews evicted from Arab lands? I don't think there's a single Jew left in Yemen. I don't see the Arabs offering to let the Jews return to homes they were evicted from in Arab countries.
They left because people with guns told them to, Ed.
KEVIN-749492, here's where your comment goes from a cirtique of Israel to a crtiique of Judaism to smearing 'they' - all Israelis? or all Jews? - which is pretty garbage discussion. Given your history, you're suspended for a month for violating #5 of the Code of Honor.
@Toasty
Arab people. The people of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in fact. Promising to let them come back when they're done killing the Jews. Didn't work out for them, well, their problem.
No, it was mostly the Brits, but in truth all members of the United Nations in 1948 have the same blood on their hands.
Sounds like pulling a tiger's tail to me. The chances of getting bit are rather high I would say.
Nanette, what is ironic is that Israel is COMPLETELY surrounded by Muslim countries and Muslim people. Israel is not stupid and they know that these millions of Muslims could literally walk into Israel and take it over within a few days (Israel would have to nuke itself to stop this from happening). The BIG question is that why is Israel even acting in a military type diplomacy with their neighbors?
No Kevin, what's ironic is that you seem to have no grasp on history yet you speak as if you do. The Muslim and Arab countries surrounding Israel have tried several times to "walk into Israel and take it over within a few days" and they have failed miserably. Please, do yourself a favor and read some history books instead of anti-Semitic propaganda. You sound truly ignorant.
Israel IS surrounded by enemies....but they don't take any crap from any of them. In fact, the U.S. often times intervenes any time things get heated in that region and always asks that Israeli's remain cool about it. Rockets are launched into Israel daily.....DAILY!! Do you think the United States would listen to Israel if Canada was launching rockets into our country and Israel said, "hey - just be cool about it"?
Israel occupies land that Palestinians used for decades to take advantage of them. If you study the geography of the region it would make a little more sense and maybe people wouldn't believe everything they're told by media types and U.N. leaders who despise Israel. Imagine if you had a neighbor that lived high up on a mountain side - and this neighbor hated you. They regularly launched attacks down into the valley in which you lived and watched your every move from their perch. You sent a messenger up to the mountain and asked them to "knock it off"....but they found humor in this and simply launched another attack. Again you asked them to stop, but the attacks kept coming. Finally, you got fed up and said, "I warned you".....you take over that area of land which your enemy was using to kill your friends and constantly keep your land in turmoil. Decades later, your enemy wants his land back and pressures the rest of the world to pressure YOU to give it back. But you're not stupid....you know that giving that land back will give them unobstructed access once again to non-stop attacks. Simple story, I know.....but a reasonable explanation of why Israel took part of Palestine. And don't let anyone fool you.....they have the power and could have taken it all if that was truly their objective.
Ok can you guys stop with the whole "little poor Israel is surrounded by enemies!!" For starters this is the land the Zionest choose to steal. They weren't forced to come here, but rather choose this location and then dispossed the inhabitants to create a home. Ever hear of the Saudi Plan? Probally not, but it offers Israel peace with all Arab countries and full diplomatic and economic relations in exchange for returning to the 1967 boarders and a just solution to the refugee problem, but Israel has never even bothered to respond. This has been accepted not once but twice by the Arab leauge. So please stop playing the victim and crying about poor old Israel. If I moved to a new community and started stealing people's homes and land's why the hell would I exepct that community to accept me?
stewgotts -- You also seem to need an education in Middle Eastern history and the history of the land that is now Israel. The Jews have "stolen" land that their ancestors inhabited and they were driven out of? Don't make me laugh. Read. It will make you smarter.
And P.S.: Your grasp of the Saudi Plan is as limited as your general "knowledge" of this subject.
What shocks me is the amazing ignorance of the Israel-Can-Do-No-Right hordes who post here so fervently.
My God, have they ever even visited a Middle Eastern country? Or studied ME history even a teeny bit instead of devouring bushels of Jew hating filth?
Some atheists PLEASE drop a cobalt bomb on Jerusalem and irradiate it then maybe they will stop fight over it.
I like that they are now calling snipers "marksmen" and have decided to attack demonstrators chemically rather than with rubber bullets. It all sounds so much more humane. If only it actually were.
ps. we atheists don't have bombs. and if we did, we would destroy them, not drop them.
I know Pagans and neo-Pagans and they don't think like you at all. Perhaps you equate "pagan" with "godless"? You also might want to try working a bit on that "pondering" thing.
I think Pagan is trying to say that the situation needs to be resolved by a non-religious person so that the existing religions can't just start another conflict by blaming each other. Pagan can of course correct me if this is not the case.
Some people fail to appreciate sarcasm.
Atheist DOES NOT equal Pacifist.
why do you need an atheist to destroy jerusalem?
Every year the administration of Jerusalem should change. One year the Jews, the next the Arabs, the next the Christians and so on and on. Jerusalem is no more than a place than an idealized idea with respect to a fixed point on Earth. Everyplace on the face of this earth is moving by virtue of tectonic plates. Jerusalem in time may very well wind up somewhere else. India is slowing sliding under Asia. Science not atheism puts our self importance in perspective. We all actually live between our ears and everything else may be a shared illusion.
Why don't they protest the KILLING of thousands of their ARAN SYRAIN BOTHERS & SISTERS, inlcuding children, who are being tortured, raped, muredered, and driven from their homes? Or how about protesting the ILLEGAL INVASION OF LEBANON by Syrian Troops who are KILLING LEBANESE and destroying their homes? Speaking of protesting injustice, WHERE IS HEZBOLLAH OR HAMAS? As much as I blame Israel for its problems, I have ZERO SYMPATHTY FOR THE PALESTINIANS, who are so narrowed minded and so full of hate that they IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE around them. This is becasue they really do NOT want a better life. All they want to do is hate and fight.
Bill--
When it comes to bigotry, ignorance, and hatefulness, it sounds like you'd be the one to know.
Bill if some Indian nation came to your home and declared your land, home were their ancestral land then used tanks or a modern army to enforce their will what would you do? Or that doesent work then just take the water from you or any utilities until you were forced off your land, wouldnt you resist? I know I sure would.
Squaredude honestly what you're talking about is something called "war." War is historically fought for the purpose of gaining land. Everyone on this planet lives where they do because their ancestors won the rights to that land. If the indian nation armed itself and fought for the land and actually WON then they would have rights to "your" land. Thats how it works. It may not sound nice and fluffy in your liberal mind, but one day when China or some other superpower does this very thing you can try to talk your way out of them relocating you from your land.
@Thatguy - So then I can assume you support Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and every other group trying to re-claim their homeland. I mean it is a war right? I think that you are overlooking one very important fact. Might does not equal right. If Native Americans rose up and ethnically cleansed the rest of the country you actually think that would be their right? Using that logic the Holocust and every other genocide would be "right" Maybe you should re-think your logic there buddy
stewgotts you may want to grow some logic. Theres a difference between terrorism and war. The "Holocust" as you call it wasn't war either. It was genocide. And might does equal right, in all parts of the animal kingdom. According to your logic Australians should move back to England, Americans should move back to their original countries, etc.
And the Arabs original homeland wasn't Israel.
The Jews want peace, and have wanted peace for 2000 years.
We lived unarmed in ghettoes created by your forefathers in Europe for all that
time and were slaughtered, raped, and oppressed. It was better in Muslim lands-
but not by much. There were still pogroms and we were at best second class
citizens. You call us warlike, which is projection. Christians and Muslims
armies have fought for centuries, while we huddled in our ghettos and prayed. Here’s
an idea- leave us alone for ONCE, and see how much violence there is. The only
difference between a pogrom and a suicide attack is now we have F-16s.
Zionudnik, Jews have always lived apart from the societies they inhabit, this makes them targets when times get rough. Perhaps if they start to become a part of the country they live in this would stop. By the way, the way you talk about "our F-16's" sounds like you identify more with the Israeli nation more than your own nation, where does your final loyalty lie?
Square dude. Historical facts do not square with your verdict. German Jews were more integrated there than in any other country in the world. Integration did not stop the worst form of antisemitism from being formed in Nazi Germany.
Canadian Jack, the fact you call them German Jews shows that they weren't integrated as well as you imagine, if they were Germans then how would Hitler discriminate one German from the other? But your probably right that Hitler would have killed the Jews despite how well integrated they were. But it wasent all Jews, how many Gypsies, gays, or anyone different were killed? Hitler was a equal opportunity mass murder.
square dude -- in reading a lot of your comments here, it's obvious that you have chosen to ignore large parts of history. Please, educate yourself and then come back and comment on this board regarding Jewish history in Europe and the Middle East, the formation of Israel, Middle-Eastern history and anti-Semitism. You're sorely mistaken on a lot of your points, not just this one. Jews have suffered anti-Semitism and been forcibly separated from societies for HUNDREDS of years. Gentile-created Jewish ghettos existed for a very long time before WWII, but you knew that, right? <eye roll> You can ignore the truth of history as long as you'd like, but it doesn't erase facts that don't square with your opinions.
@Zionudnik- You forget one very important aspect of this whole argument and that is why should you expect the right to live in peace when the place your living has been stolen from the original inhabitants? If you went on vacation and I stole your home would you come back and just say "oh well, the hell with. Lets just let him live in Peace." I'll ask this question once again. Without referencing the Bible what right did the Jews have in 1947 to Palestine keeping in mind they were a minority of the population and only owned 7% of the land?
stewgotts -- please read up on Jewish history. You can go to your local library and read about it without ever laying a finger on the Bible or the Torah. Then come back
atand tell us allthethat the Jews never inhabited the land now known as Israel prior to it's creation and not a thousand+ years before. Opinions based upon misinformation are just that--opinions. As much as it seems you want to, you can't re-write history to suit your opinion. And to compare the Jews reclaiming Israel to you stealing a neighbors home when they go on vacation is beyond elementary. You clearly have no grasp on this issue.Time for a three state solution. Gaza, the West Bank and Israel can all go their own way. Hamas and Fatah will not reconcile their differences.
The so-called Palestinians are losing the PR battle to the crisis in Syria and need a gimmick to get back in the spotlight. Cheap theatrics and nothing besides.
As long as the Arabs view all of Israel as occupied Palestine there can be no peace. Israel--keep your powder dry.
A perfect time to get rid of the menacing neighbors. Call out the massod.
Hugh its easy for you to sit back in the sidelines judging the whole world. The fact of the matter is you dont live on a tiny piece of land surrounded by those who drool at the thought of hacking your body into pieces and leaving it for the crows. Sound harsh? Go to google images and see how these poor innocent peace loving muslims treat their enemies.
It must be terrible for Israel to have such a continuing itch that it is never sure of exactly what to use to beat it with.
This will be a totally peacefull demonstration except for the 500 rockets that will be fired trying to kill Israeli children, and the spitting on and burning of the American flag.
Seahunt, exactly my thoughts...
Since 1948 who do you think has killed more innocent people, the Palestinians or the Israelis?
A man with spin bifida was found in a grave. He was 35 years old at the time of his death. But his bones when dated were revealed to be well over 10,000 years old. Spina bifida is a disabling condition when a part of a person's spine is open so they cannot walk. How does a seriously disabled man manage to live for 35 years in a hunter gatherer society here in North America. The healthy hunter gatherers knew something about life that today we no longer remember. Every human life is priceless. The trick is to restore this memory to people who care more about land than their fellow humans. Who care more about their possessions than they do care about their neighbor. Our very safety depends on how much each human cares for every other human.
"But the march is absolutely peaceful and nobody will try to provoke violence." Riiiight! Can't wait for the video....
Israel, protect your borders and your people
Where are Israel's borders? Please tell cause the whole World would love to know!
Mess with the bull and you will get the horns. Several times a year these terrorist backed people try to intimidate Israel and only end up getting smacked down. When will they learn.
To all you Israel haters...............you'll get your wish and Israel will cease to exist if Obama is relected.
We will all cease to exist if Obama is re-elected.
Wow Dale, is Israel that fragile?
Your lips to G-D's Ears. Sounds like a campaign slogan to me.
That's funny becasue I could swear that under Obama we have vetoed two UNSC resolutions dealing with Israel, our military cooperation is the highest it has EVER been(Iron Dome) and funding is at an all-time high, so how do you support your claim? I know, I know actual facts really suck!!
Who cares! about what jews do
stop giving US money to Israel and the Palestinians - there will never be peace there until they start spending their own money.
There never has been peace there and never will be peace there. If we are going to give money to anyone, it should be Israel because they don't try to kill us and are fighting the same enemies. I am all for not giving money to any other country at all.
Lets see Israel was a county way back then was over ran by Arab counties and was made in to a Independent state by United Nations and was attacked by neighboring Arab state and beat them and then again attacked and then occupied land after that in a peace deal gave land back to Egypt. They have earned the right to exist and the Palestinians have earned nothing. They want the world to give them something that doesn't belong to them. In time a war will happen and it will be ugly it will start as a peace full demonstration that will not get the response that they are looking for and rockets will be fired in to Israel but this will be down played by media for the Israel response being up played by the media.
A few years back the media was harsh on their coverage to Israel but FOX news showed coverage where Israel military told the media they can't protect them in combat zones. video showed the media people running from Palestine's shooting at them as they ran behind a Israel tank that put itself in harms way to try to protect them not shown on CNN.
"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June
1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff,
which was born and developed after the war."
Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
“The former Commander of the Air
Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was ‘no
threat of destruction’ but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was
nevertheless justified so that Israel could ‘exist according the scale, spirit,
and quality she now embodies.’...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to
make: ‘In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in
the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We
must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.’“ Noam Chomsky,
“The Fateful Triangle.”
Was
the 1967 war defensive? — continued
“I do not think Nasser wanted war.
The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch
an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.” Yitzhak Rabin, Israel’s Chief
of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68
Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights
“Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately
provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to
take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan
stated] ‘They didn’t even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send
a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the demilitarized
area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t
shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the
Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.
And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.’” The New York Times, May 11, 1997
The history of Israeli expansionism
“The acceptance of partition does
not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give
up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the
boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no
external factor will be able to limit them.” David Ben-Gurion, in 1936,
quoted in Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”
This kind of blows your lieing post to bits, Megslief. Israel started the wars for land and water, then lied to the international community, with the aid of the Zionist controlled media. The internet has helped expose the lieing of the Israelis and their American enablers, especially the media.
Ancient Israel was destroyed first by the Babylonians than the Romans. This was all before Islam started or the emergence of a unified Arab culture so your first sentence belies your ignorance and bais.
They should just march right into Israel and take back the whole dam area. Palestine, by the people for the people.