Neither numbnuts not biden can keep their mouths shut. What a jerk. Playing politics with missles is so wrong on so many levels.

This is not surprising. Fundraiser in Chief Obama has been playing politics for personal gain since the last election over three years ago. He is a disgrace to this country. November will be the end of an error!

Sorry obama, but i think you're gonna have a lot of free time after this next election. Your power tripping days are over you arrogant pr*ck. The people of the US are not stupid like you have said. You sir are the stupid one for thinking that.

Nevada-Brett

This is not surprising. Obama has been playing politics for over three years.

It would have been much better , if he was playing president ....

Big ben......LOL! He can't even do that right. We watched him try for three years now.

Right, because the Russians are just about to bomb the hell out of us anytime now... try again Pubs

The people of the US are not stupid like you have said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46781695/

Yea, our education system is doing fine work.

farmall48 ....

He wasn't even a good "Community Organizer" ....

Yep, Ben:

Of course that time that Reagan said (paraphrasing) "My fellow Americans I have just signed legislation outlawing the Soviet Union and we begin bombing in five minutes..." before his radio address, that was okey dokey, right?

That little stunt caused the Soviet Union to put some of their forces on high alert.

Or is St. Reagan exempt from any criticism while your current President is wrong no matter what he does?

"We have time (for an agreement) but it is running out, and I think that it would be in our mutual benefit to reach mutually acceptable agreements," Medvedev told a security conference.

"The main thing is that we must hear one simple thing - hear it and receive confirmation: 'Respected friends from Russia, our missile defense is not aimed against Russian nuclear forces.' This must be affirmed, not in a friendly chat over a cup of tea or a glass of wine, but in a document."

The media trying to make a story where there isn't one. The Russians want a document, which means Congressional approval. The President cannot enter into an agreement with other countries without getting approval from Congress. The Congress cannot get an infrastructure spending bill through and we are to expect that an agreement between the US and Russia over missile defense would? For those that think we don't need an agreement and should just develop one in Europe then my counter would be, are you a fiscal conservative? Shouldn't it be the responsibility of the Europeans to build their own missile defense system? Why should the US pay for a missile defense system for Europe?

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED ....

At that time , the Soviet missiles were rotting in the ground ....

David Walker, enough with the excuses and talking points. Time to wake up and smell the coffee my friend. Your guy, the Downgrade President, has done enough damage to the country. He had his shot, and failed miserably! Time for a change in November.

Nothing more vital to this nation than having the November election be the central factor in every decision, plan, or policy put forth, I guess.

The president simply has to be enraged that the Supreme Court is discussing his hastily put together health care mess...how dare they !

And DAMN that the president had to give a public blessing to the southern portion of the Keystone project...does he gain more votes from the pipeline's supporters than he loses from the environmental nuts ??? Of course...the president had to play the phony baloney politician on that one, since nobody needed his backing to get the project rolling.

Too bad the president couldn't have had his spat with the Catholic Church over contraception issues delayed for another half year too.

And now we see he's not above begging the Russians for a little electoral cooperation too.

Typical self absorbed politician, for certain.

Now your talking Brett ....

Real hope and change ....

Obama's hope and change , is scaring the hell out of us ....

His destruction and debt , will be felt for years and years and years ....

Ruken, don't you think it might be because of government run department of education?

The president simply has to be enraged that the Supreme Court is discussing his hastily put together health care mess...how dare they !

Actually, if you were paying attention, you would know the Obama administration requested the ACA be fast tracked to the POTUS.

I wonder why that is...?

BigBen, I concur! Waaay to many people out there have no clue that our country cannot sustain the massive debt load Obama has incurred. One day the dollar will be worthless and as a result our 401K retirement money gone.

BTW: I amended (on my post), at the last minute, real hope and change to simply change, not to give the libs anything to criticize.

Don't even try to justify Obama's trillions of dollars of debacles ....

We'll be feeling his debt disaster for years and years ....

Ruken, don't you think it might be because of government run department of education?

No. It's the parents.

Feisty Red....

I think you mean that he wanted it fast-tracked to the SCOTUS, not POTUS.

And, he wants it to GET to the SCOTUS before the election...he just doesnt'want it DECIDED before the election....

maybe you should be paying more attention.

Anyway, regarding the missiles...it's nice to see Obama put the program in a holding pattern for an entire year so he can campaign without distraction. After all, what's a few billion dollars in paying people to just stand around for a year and look busy....

One thing is for sure, this president cannot be trusted to do the right thing for this country when he makes sure we know that he doesn't even like us!

And, he wants it to GET to the SCOTUS before the election...he just doesnt'want it DECIDED before the election....

It'll be decided before the summer is out, no? If anything, he wants it decided ASAP so he can either gain momentum from it holding up, or have time to contain the damage if it falls.

I hope American's have learned something from this mess ....

"Community Organizers" , don't make good presidents ....

Nevada-Brett .... had to add you to friends here .... your good .... "LOL"

"Community Organizers" , don't make good presidents ....

So present me with a better alternative. Give me Huntsman or Pawlenty.

Because the current GOP candidates scare me too much.

The mandate is unconstitutional

Then the mandate that hospitals have to take in sick / dying with no insurance needs to be repealed as well.

Because I for one am tired of paying high premiums to subsidize freeloaders. Either everyone needs to be mandated, or hospitals can turn those that cannot pay away, or we go to a nationalized health-care system.

Ruken:

If the ruling goes against him and the Democrats who crammed it down the throats of the 70% of Americans who didn't want it, there will be no "recovery" for him politically. He will be the first President to have tried to COMMAND people to buy consumer goods to bolster the bottom line of for-profit corporations in American history. Image what would happen if Bush's signature achievement was to get a law passed requiring people to buy stock in oil companies....

I don't like paying hundreds of billions of dollars in taxmoney in "foreign aid" to bribe countries to pretend to be our friends...sadly, we don't get much choice on what out tax dollars are spent on. Our only real choice is at the voting booth...and both parties are equally guilty of pilfering the Treasury for their own best interests as well as the interests of their financiers, I mean...campaign donors.

It only makes sense that the president would look for space as he has had to deal with the pinheaded freshman class of the House and those of you who shop at the same hat store that support them.

Accusations of political gamesmanship from anyone on the right is absolutely ridiculous.

Image what would happen if Bush's signature achievement was to get a law passed requiring people to buy stock in oil companies....

That's different. We don't all have to buy gas.

We all will partake in the health-care system. Whether it be checkups, or finally when someone keels over from a heart attack and are taken away by ambulance. Since we all partake, it makes sense that we all have the means to pay, no?

It's also kind of an oxymoron that the health-care system may have to put forth tens or hundreds of thousands to pay for lifesaving procedures for someone that chose not to get insurance, and won't be able to pay. They chose not to have insurance, and therefore became a burden on the rest of us.

Therefore, we can either get everyone covered (by mandate or nationalized system), or force people to be responsible for the consequences of their actions by choosing not to get insurance.

You act like the individual mandate is a position I am defending. Where did I ever say it was a good idea? I am saying that the defeat will be worse for Republicans than it will be for Democrats and Obama. It will be the Supreme Court saying the Republican idea for a LONG time was wrong and illegal. Why should Americans trust a party that took an unconstitutional position for so long? We are just suppose to believe they saw the light on the unconstitutionality and now we should trust them in the future? The individual mandate belongs to the Republicans not Democrats or Obama.

I think we need to get the vaseline ready after he is reelected, we will be screwed.

Obama's massive record unstoppable , economic crushing , disastrous , credit downgrading debt ....

Spending as a % of GDP is actually going down.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1903_2010USp_13s1li011lcn_F0t_US_Government_Spending_As_Percent_Of_GDP

Ruken:

It's NOT different. Gas prices affect almost every single product on the market. The same argument that the Democrats are making for compelling people to buy health insurance would equally apply to making people buy oil company stock...it's in our "national interest" to regulate prices. The price of oil has a larger impact on our economy than the price of health care...oil prices affect everything from gas at the pump to groceries, trucking prices for goods shipped, plastics...etc. Oil prices affect almost every single thing on the market. There is NO difference telling people they have to buy health insurance than there is telling them they have to buy oil stocks...the bottom line is propping up the profitability of private, for-profit corporations so they can be more ubiquitous in the marketplace and allegedly "lower prices"...although "lower prices" are not guaranteed nor mandated.

Government funded health care is really the only CONSTITUTIONAL option if the government is going to mandate health care. The government has NO right to tell me that I must buy anything with my own money just to be an American in good standing.

Amy,

"It's called diplomacy, dittoheads. You know, that area that the Obama administration has excelled in: getting Arab countries to help remove Qaddafy and Mubarak, for instance, working with Germany to help stabilize Greece, getting the UK to keep troops in Afghanistan, you know diplomatic stuff."

So you think the return of Sharia law and the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda are good for Libya...typical ignorant rant...I suppose you think women should lose the right to vote as well? Great job there of bringing "peace" to Libya, Egypt and destabilizing the region.

This article speaks like it's written by Julian Assange's little sister. Gossip fence horse-hockey!

Ruken ....

You need to compare it to the GDP ....

Not just to say , a percentage of ....

Look at the GDP for 3 years ....

Government funded health care is really the only CONSTITUTIONAL option if the government is going to mandate health care. The government has NO right to tell me that I must buy anything with my own money just to be an American in good standing.

And hospitals are the only industry (for lack of better word) I can think of that has to provide a service even if you cannot pay for it.

You need to compare to the GDP ....

Not just to say , a percentage of ....

Look at the GDP for 3 years ....

I did compare it to GDP. That graph is 'Spending as % of GDP'. If spending is going up and GDP is going down, then the graph would be rising. If GDP is rising faster than spending, the graph goes down.

It is going down.

Amy - you are so right. Basically Obama is an idealist at heart and would rather negotiate than go boots on the ground.

But he is also very pragmatic and has been tougher than Bush on the initiatives Bush tried to institute in regard to Iran and North Korea.

The reason he has been able to get the rest of the world to go along with his measures,is the fact they trust he would prefer to use diplomacy if he is able, but will use force if he must.

RUKEN-Usual libtard BS. The laws that state hospitals must treat the sick regardless of ability to pay is in no way similar to the fact that the government is trying to force the American people to buy a product against their will.

So telling a company they have to provide a service regardless of the client's ability to pay is fine, but forcing that person to actually be able to pay isn't?

And my logic is off?

I thought it was an interesting statement- It could be taken as either, "Give me some space through the election (without tension/bad press) and we'll work this out- wink, wink.", or "Give me some room on the missile system (to make a leader/hero moment and help me get re-elected) and I'll give you some big returns on your donation."

I don't like either probable implication.

Because I for one am tired of paying high premiums to subsidize freeloaders. Either everyone needs to be mandated, or hospitals can turn those that cannot pay away, or we go to a nationalized health-care system.

It's a misconception to think that this will end because of the ACA. In fact it is likely that it will drive costs because of further cost shifting to support the 15m new recipients of Medicaid. This being true I can assume that you have now switched your support from ACA and would like to see it repealed because of this?

http://www.academyhealth.org/files/HCFO/HCFOBriefMay2011FINAL.pdf

So if you are lucky enough that your employer does not drop your private insurance, your premiums are likely to increase to cover these new patients which pay providers less.

You may benefit personally from any number of provisions of the Act. Your child may have gained coverage; some services are covered at 100%; there is no cap on your total benefits and more. But, premiums are going up as a result of this expansion of benefits. In addition, the Affordable Care Act does nothing to fundamentally change the health care system or to bring health care costs under control.

http://blog.horizonblue.com/articledetails/will-affordable-care-act-health-care-reform-save-money

TANSTAAFL - There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

Notsosure - we can not go in and remake every country in our own image - that's part of our problem right now in Afghanistan.

AmyB - "dittoheads", really?

It's a misconception to think that this will end because of the ACA. In fact it is likely that it will drive costs because of further cost shifting to support the 15m new recipients of Medicaid. This being true I can assume that you have now switched your support from ACA and would like to see it repealed because of this?

The problem with ACA is that certain provisions (like no longer being able to deny due to pre-existing conditions, children until 26 years, etc.) went into effect before the mandate. This is why premiums are going up, because the pool of eligibility has expanded but people aren't yet mandated to keep insurance.

If the mandate is struck down, ACA imo is a bust and should be repealed.

The whole mandated order should be repealed. Not only the medical portion, the forced buying of consumer goods, but the just circulated e-mail regarding the fact that if we sell our home we will be forced to pay a "tax" just for selling. I understand that this does not include capital gains taxes, that is, if anyone these days can make a gain in profit from selling their home at undervalued rates. Thats not just homeowners that will have to pay this tax, it includes landlords and corporations that own residences.

Repeal the whole thing, castrate the congress and especially Nancy "we'll never know what's in it till we pass it" Pelosi.

I see nothing wrong with what the President said. These kind of conversations, with such people go on all the time. Just something for the crackpots to add to their imaginings.

Getting back to the subject of the unguarded comments and the open mike.....doesn't this, combined with Obama and Hillary Clinton preparing the cede Alaskan, and therefore US territory to the Russians in the Aleutian Islands coupled with the backdoor type of negotiation......bother anybody else?????? Just what are the Russians supposed to be waiting for that Obama requires a little space? Is the entire United States of America supposed to give him space. Alaskan territory to the Russians, without the people of Alaska being able to vote on an issue that affects their territory, their jurisdiction, their land....and majority of Americans not even knowing about it, so what else is he planning on giving away with closed door meetings and secret documents that we will never see until it is too late....This is supposed to be the transparent president, transparent government-open to public discussion and debate, open to the full view of the American people....I am beginning to think that we won't make it until November

As I have said in the past, O'Bama will do anything for the vote. He is not a person that can be trusted to put the needs of Legal U.S. Citizens ahead of his need for a vote. I just wonder what kind of "Bribe" the U.S. will have to pay for the Russians to give O'Bama time to run another "con" n the Legal U.S. Citizens.

*yawn* - everything is negotiable and I didn't hear anything that any other US president (or diplomat) would not have said in such circumstances. And if you think not, then you're living in fantasy land.

Once again, Obama is "wishy-washy" on the subject of national defense.

Why didn't he just tell the 'roosky';....."we'll stand down our missile defense system, when YOU stand down all nuclear launch sites, and call back all nuclear submarines that contain missiles aimed at The United States.

You like living the way we do in this country?

Well, get a clue people.

Because, only the strong survive.

Pacifism doesn't, and NEVER DID work. Just ask the people who lived in Czechoslovakia before the start of WWII; or ask the survivors of the holocaust; or even ask those who lived through the V-2 rocket bombings in London during that same war.

THEY will tell you how "effective" pacifism is!

So telling a company they have to provide a service regardless of the client's ability to pay is fine, but forcing that person to actually be able to pay isn't?

And my logic is off?

Gee...let's see, who made it so that hospitals were required to stabilize E.R. patients regardless of whether they had insurance or an ability to pay...Democrats or Republicans?

And, hospitals are not required to do anything more than stabilize E.R. patients...not treat them for any and every ailment they walk in the door with...

I want to know how he will have more flexibility? Is he planning on doing away with congress and declaring himself dictator?

And, hospitals are not required to do anything more than stabilize E.R. patients...not treat them for any and every ailment they walk in the door with...

I dunno what ERs you've been to. But ERs have to treat even uninsured, not just stabilize them.

Journalists spied the two leaders leaning close together and talking in hushed tones. According to those in the room, the conversation was difficult to hear but the videotape revealed Obama asking the Russian leader to wait until after the November election before pushing forward on the topic of a planned missile defense shield.

Good grief, and this is the President of the United States asking other "leaders" not to do something UNTIL AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.

Wow, Mr. Obama is trying to put everything on HOLD until after the elections. Don't want anything to get in his way to be re-elected. Wait a minute.....Mr. Obama said "I deserve to be re-elected".....so I suppose he wants everyone to forget his FAILED policies for the past THREE YEARS and THREE MONTHS.

Some lame duck.

Amy...

...getting Arab countries to help remove Qaddafy and Mubarak, for instance, working with Germany to help stabilize Greece...

Gawd, really? And those countries are much better off now, aren't they? hmmm, Greece? How many times in the past year have they been bailed out? How many times were there riots because the lazy greeks want their cake and to eat it too? How many more times do you think they have their collective hands-out to the global community? Why not open you eyes? Barry has turned out to be a bad-deal for America and the rest of the world....unless you are part of the rest of the world that has their hands-out for a pay-off. Then he's your best friend!

The real telling point, that the Russian have to 'wait until after the elections' speaks volumes. Is he saying he won't do anything for the country because he is too busy campaigning or is he stating that once the elections are over, with him being re-elected, that all restraints are off?

What will stop him once he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected? If he is re-elected (is the 'fix' in already?) then he can continue to push forward his progressive agendas of giving soverignity of the US to the UN, of growing the federal government to sizes once never dreamed of, to a size where they control EVERY aspect of life in America, to creation of countless bureaus, answering to him and him alone and the continuation of the push for the one world, NWO doctrines.

It all hinges on money and folks, when you are broke, you don't have much say about anything.

Well, at least we now know he plans on giving in to the Ruskies after the election. Nice. It would be nice if a president would actually stand their ground for what they believe in regardless of elections.

Typical of this egomaniac. Never does anything for the good of the country...only does what is good for his re-election campaign.

Bringing tens of thousands of troops back next September instead of now? Why do you think that is?

Delaying decisions that will make him unpopular until AFTER the election? uh-huh...typical

Worst president ever.

Obama and Santorum are not far apart, using the old addage---"Think before you Speak".

Pres. Obama needs to become more aware of his surroundings, knowing that everyone hears what he says.

I do not think this will harm his chances for becoming President---people forget very easily.

It is substance that needs to be worked on here in the United States---not dealing missiles in Russia until after the Election..

You know that really disturbs me why a sitting president would want to keep his intentions from his fellow americans, but tell it on the sly to the russians. If he wants to do away with the shield, just man up dude and say so. Geez, grow a set already.

So many collapsed posts for no good reason....MSNBC is well aware of the problem....but apparently they like it...

Wow. Let me summarize-

"I'm happy to gut our defensive position for you, just wait until they can't get rid of me for doing it, mmmkay?"

JFK would be calling for this guy's resignation after a comment like that going public, but more importantly he'd be calling for him to step down because he's playing with millions of lives. It's an ICBM DEFENSE SHIELD, a defensive weapon. Why would you offer to gut that at all?

Fool.

Obama's true colors are showing. Asking Russia to give him breathing room on Missle defense untill after the election. Wonder what other areas vital to our defense he is planning to give away.

I love you, Republican party. Consistency, that never fails.

Umm.

Exactly what was wrong with what the President said? Had the mike been on, this would have been a non-issue. The simple fact is that getting any kind of legislative treaty put through congress right now would be like trying to ram an elephant steak up a mouse's hindquarters.

It would be absolute folly for the President to champion an issue right now that has little chance of going anywhere with a Congress that only uses half a brain (that half resides in the Senate - the other half is non-functional).

But - please - go on working yourselves up on these non-issues. You folks need something to take your minds off of the fact that your party has zero real candidates for President in 2012.

So, let me understand this : Obama knows that reducing the number of missiles would not go over well with the American public. But he wants to reduce them. Therefore, he will do it after he has been reelected when the citizens have no way of opposing it. So, he is planning to screw the American public with the help of Vladimir Putin, who will promise to sit tight until the reelection of our glorious leader and then they will agree on an arms reduction over the majority of the American people.

Whose President is he, anyway ? He is violating his Oath of Office. And then there are people who do not understand how horrific this is ! Conspring with the enemy against the American people. What's next ? I shudder ...

My goodness the dittoheads and trolls are out in force today..... Oh wait a minute! It is the same four people....Talk about much ado about nothing. The dittoheads and fox freaks are all over this one. We have a freshman congress that seems to know almost nothing about international relations and can't find compromise with more than 51 percent of America because they have an axe to grind. I would wait until after the election too.

Ruken,

Sorry to interrupt.

As far as I know in my state (because all have different policies) it is only state run hospitals that have to treat anything but life saving emergencies, private hospitals (which ObamaCare pretty much gets rid of) only have to stabilize someone and send them home. If you owe a significant amount of money to a private hospital they will send you away from thier ER and also refuse to allow you to be tested on their property (not even a blood test) sooo yes hospitals that are not state funded can refuse too care if neccessary.

BTW State funded hospitals in CT do send out bills for any and all services, unfortunately a lot of the people who are using this as a primary care instead of emergency care do not use their real name or address, since in CT state funded hospitals cannot ask for a social security number. I know this because when I was without insurance I had to go to the hospital for pnemonia $5,200 later I just came up with a payment plan to pay my bill.

Just so im clear on the Health Care unconstitutionality:

When the SCOTUS declares a mandate to buy insurance unconstitutional...

does that mean i'll no longer have to have insurance on my car, after i've paid for it?

i understand insuring it so long as you have a bank loan, but not after that.

by what legal authority can anyone force me to insure my car or myself so that I dont burden anyone else with my legal expenses should i crash onto someones lawn into their house?

this is gonna be awesome, and the insurance industry is gonna piss their pants over this one.

oh im sure republicans will find some reason why THAT mandate is ok.

Regarding the 'hot mic': Tell Vladimir not to bother us about missile defense for at least a year, got it?

No scandal there.

Anyone would be a better President than Mr. Obama, however the Left falls for any smoke and mirrors produced behind the cloak of the teleprompters.

As for Congress, yep, Mr. Reid leads the pack with "half a brain".....example.....$ 5,000,000,000 taxpayer dollars for a high speed train to Vegas.

True Michael. As democrats JFK wouldn't do that. I seriously doubt Clinton would under todays circumstances. I know Reagan would have told Medvedev to go Efff himself if he mentioned us stopping or curtailing our own defense system.

Greg in New York - The bill was written without a severability clause. It's all or nothing.

It's quite possible that the president wanted it to be overheard. Flip that one over in your wee little brain a few times....

Once again, Obama proves that NOTHING in the world is more important to him than his re-election.

The security of the world from nuclear attacks is secondary to his narcissism !

Katheryn Brandy

Just damn those hot mics - they'll catch out those rascally politicians every time!

My aren't you putting it gently. Obama's no "rascal", he's an arrogant, elitist, cutthroat career politician who's never had a job, and never earned an honest days wage.

Why else would Obama (and the elitist liberal politicians s who vote in favor of critical issues) want their laws, mandated directives and critical decisions, i.e. (activation and enforcement of his Obamacare, decision on Keystone XL, directives on more stringent EPA Reg's), to be put off until AFTER Obama's Re-Election campaign. They already know that these laws, mandates and regulations are detrimental to the American way of life.

This is not rocket science my fellow countrymen, it's your country and way of life being reduced to that of just another banana republic, just another 3rd. world class country... where the only rich people and fat cats are career politicians. With Obama at the helm, you can kiss your country's private sector businesses good bye, you'll never know just how good it was to be different, and be American, until the America you were born in is gone forever.

SAY NO TO A BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL GOVERNMENT, THAN WAS INTENDED BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, AND TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK THIS NOVEMBER!!

Wow. Everyone that is running for political office, especially POTUS is thinking about their political career.
We are not at war with Russia. There is no threat here. This whole thing is a non-issue.

Since the Supreme Courts review of healthcare reform has been brought into this topic...I read an interesting article today stating that "contract law" may become the topedo that sinks the president's bloated walrus of a plan. According to the article, for an insurance policy of any kind to be put in place there is an actual "contract" agreement between the 'insuror" and the "insured"....and contract law that has been in place in this nation for a couple of centuries states that contracts cannot be made under "duress" of any kind, or they become invalid. Surely having a government entity forcing a citizen to purchase a policy under threat of financial penalty could be considered to be "duress".

Jessica-1170252

Just so im clear on the Health Care unconstitutionality:

When the SCOTUS declares a mandate to buy insurance unconstitutional...

does that mean i'll no longer have to have insurance on my car, after i've paid for it?

i understand insuring it so long as you have a bank loan, but not after that.

by what legal authority can anyone force me to insure my car or myself so that I dont burden anyone else with my legal expenses should i crash onto someones lawn into their house?

this is gonna be awesome, and the insurance industry is gonna piss their pants over this one.

oh im sure republicans will find some reason why THAT mandate is ok.

See...posts like yours are why I believe people should have to pass IQ tests to be able to vote.

First, car insurance is a state requirement...not a federal one.

Second, you are required to have car insurance to lawfully operate your car on public roads. You're more than welcome to not register them or insure them if you never leave your driveway...although some cities require you to have current registration tags on your vehicles or they may be ticketed as an eyesore.

Third, there is NO comparison between being made to buy insurance to lawfully operate a vehicle on public roads and being made to buy health insurance just to exist as an American in good standing....none. You choose to own/operate vehicles...being an American citizen is a birthright.

Lastly...you do realize that Obama used the comparison during his campaigning for the legislation because his base is largely people like you...? People who are really clueless and gullible.

Forrosynthesis...you are probably right that the reality is that any treaty would have to wait till after the election...there is something to be said though for not sounding like a complete sell-out. While the reality is that out system is broken and all presidents in the last 50 years have been sell-outs..but a smart person would know that saying plainly on an issue as important as nukes and a shield. I am confident that Obama's handlers, like Bush's before him, try to keep him on a short leash...when the teleprompter shuts off nobody knows what might come out of this guy's mouth.

american-2051576

I see that some of the First Read LWNJ's have ventured out of their comfort zone on FR to post.

I wasn't going to post because this is a nontroversy and the collapse cowards are in full force, but then I saw your post...

First off, no one seems concerned that a conversation in hushed voices, which obviously was meant to be private, was eaves-dropped with questionable techniques and reliability. This is NOT an accidental hot mic scenario. It is an invasion of privacy and even a national security breach.

And why get your panties in a knot about this when there are already plenty of missiles in the US alone to decimate this planet? So one more or less, or wait a few months or a year, or other silliness means little.

What means A LOT is the removal of nuclear material around the world. Rachel Maddow did a special report on this, so it's safe to assume all you RWNJs didn't see it. During President Obama, the US removed nuclear material from Libya just before the revolution (not a moment too soon), and just removed material from Mexico which is becoming unstable as well. This is what is making you safe--for real. Where's the clapping and cheers?

We all know the right-wing has to make mountains out of mole hills because "there is no there there." We all know the right-wing can never give credit where credit is due (e.g., bin Laden), because that's what small fearful petty people are like. You conservatives are so proud of yourselves right now, but in reality you are all very lame. Thanks for reminding us.

This is a nonstory. Nothing inflammatory or untruthful was said; those in charge of the microphones should be asked why they turned them on before the press was in the room. President Obama spoke the truth. Our dysfunctional Congress is even more dysfunctional now that it is an election year--it should come as no surprise that President Obama would want to convey to Putin that more time was needed.

Perhaps the discussion we should be having is not what words these two leaders spoke but rather why the press so eagerly decided it was necessary to report what should have been kept confidential out of respect for both leaders and instead make this the news of the day. It is not news and it is no story but the press says it is and the right jumps up and down with glee.

You better look into what a severability clause is before trying to say it is all or nothing.

The Truths and myths of severability clauses

It is not up to you or me whether the individual mandate can be severed from the bill. That is the decision of the Supreme Court and that will only be considered if they deem the individual mandate to be unconstitutional.

Patriot, whose nuclear material was it that we removed from Libya? And exactly what type "material" was it? All kinds of stuff, including medical devices, contain nuclear material.

Invasion of privacy while he was standing in a public forum in front of a microphone? Now that is interesting.

Should have posted the following here instead of First read but:

I don't know the full context but I am deeply disappointed by the hot mike statement. While it seems trivial, the subject matter that is behind the "meat" of these talks is not trivial.

Yes we need to talk to the Russians but we need to talk out of strength not talk to them as if they were our allies. That said, politics should never be a factor in our discussions with the Russians. From a liberal who doesn't agree with a military defense shield in Europe, star wars or other useless, non-functioning, wasteful expenditures, any president should do what is right for the country despite the political implications. He should not try to be flexible with the Russians; they will not be the same with us.

For those who chose to take Russia’s words at face value, I for one will not look into Putin's eyes and sense a trust with him and or Russia as Bush mistakenly did. The so called democratization of Russia has been stifled. Medvedev is a puppet soon to be replaced by Putin again. Putin, unfortunately, the once and future king.

True, Russia due to its failing economy is not our largest rival/enemy any longer. However, make no mistake, they are not our allies, friends or anything of that nature. They are not to be trusted. At every step whether it is willingly arming Syria or lending conflicting diplomacy to stave off peace efforts in the middle east and elsewhere they stand against us. In the UN security council they block any vote that is counter to the US. They are playing us, laughing at us as we try to police the world and fight a War on terror. Noting, gleefully as our resources, blood and treasure evaporate.

Perhaps it is due to my growing up in an Air Force family knowing that my hometown was #1 on the hit list due to the location of SAC. They are our enemies, simple fact. That does not mean you do not talk with them but when you do you keep your guard up

Is this a rant against Obama? No. It is in fact a rant against pursuing the ABM system that Bush and now Obama wants to install. Look, I don't believe that an ABM anti ballistic missile system will work to any great degree to offset its huge cost. Whether the US has this system in Germany or Romania, closer to Russia is what the parties object to, I think we need to talk to them to limit the making of new offensive weapons. Help and or force them to corral rogue unaccounted for weapons etc. I think the whole ABM system will never work. The US policy to barter with the Russians to allow us to develop and install these in former eastern bloc countries is a huge monumental waste of money. This is but another way for us to continue to waste DOD dollars on a feckless pursuit to try to protect Europe. This embrace of developing ABM systems could be a way to unwittingly poke a sleeping Russian bear.

Here they come...the First Readers...LOL

Someone must have hit the panic button over ther!

Not that I think Obama should be putting anything off because of an election, but the US already has a missile defense system up and running but not yet at full capacity. In fact there are two such installations, one in Alaska and the other in Finland. It is called project HAARP.

HAARP is capable of over the horizon detection at high atmospheric levels down low levels which include cruise missiles. It is also has the capability of emitting an electromagnetic pulse capable of knocking out the onboard avionics that control the flight path. Leading to the disruption or causing an object to break apart.

The United States has known for a long time that it would not be able to stop rogue nations like North Korea or Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons forever, so the US has been spending years perfecting technologies that can blow up a nuclear missile before it gets off the launch pad. But even more impressive for a weapon like HAARP, it comes complete with deniability.

I love to see the spin shift at Narwhal try to fend off the results of a caught on the mic schemer, more interested in his own power than anything else. Just let me lie about things until I get re-elected then we do the real business we want. Anyone still dumb enough to support this failure needs thier head examined. I'm not surprised that the Roselle nut who looooooves him doesn't even know what SCOTUS is, probably never read the Constitution either. BAHAHAHAHA

True Patriot, well done!! You said it better than I did. It was obviously a private conversation in hushed voices, yet the press instead chose to make it public. We should be questioning the ethics of a press who would so willingly stir the pot for the sake of stirring.

Greg in New York

Don't try to spin this onto people living in fear. The real story which is told here is that this guy will do anything and make a deal with anyone, lie to anyone to stay in power. Outed by his own words. Doesn't matter what the subject of discussion was, matters what it shows about Obama.

Umm Jody, thats what the press and media do. LOL People are "hot-mic'd" all the time from both parties and its ALWAYS reported.

Whispering in front of hot mics is not exactly the place for things like this to be said, it should have been done in secure quarters. You think politicians would know better.

RukenThen the mandate that hospitals have to take in sick / dying with no insurance needs to be repealed as well.

First off Health care is not the same as health insurance. And secondly the law you refer to only applies to hospitals that participate in Medicare. They can and usually are turned away from privately run hospitals that do not deal with Medicare. And they are only guaranteed access to "basic" health care. A huge difference between what the Health Insurance bill mandate requires. And if your Health Insurance didn't go up the following year after Obama care was passed adding all the non-deductable coverage mandated and adults up to age 26 still on their parents insurance, then you would be the first and probably the only one. This bill has already shown that it will not cut health cost, instead they will continue to rise.

Spot on True Patriot! Not to mention there is a little political naivety in some of these posts.

David Walker -- Excellent post! Someone restore it please.

Mac Forrester-- Right on buddy!

To all the reich wing posters. I am an independent conservative who believes in the intelligence of the American people. There-for, I believe that they will elect Obama in 2012. After all, all 4 of the current crop of candidates are not worthy of the position. To have any oe of these numb-nuts represent America would be totally embarassing to us as a nation.

So reich wingers - time to double up on the prozac, etc, 'coz here comes the carrot!!!

Geez, talk about a tempest in a teapot...

I listened to the recording and the so-called transcript you quote in this article is not what I heard. The President said to Medvedev, "After the election I'm with you".

The "hot mic" finally makes Obama transparent, if only for a moment.

Wow omg Obama blew it. LMAO what this is a dumb story. Every politician wants to leave stuff for after an election. Unless it is their last term. Then they want to leave a mess if the next Politician is from another party. And where did health care come into this article.

Face it this time the republicans do not have a candidate strong enough to actually beat Obama. Even if you do not like him he is going to win the election. We all will be bickering for four more years and not much will change. Due to a republican led congress that votes no on everything.

Even if a republican did get into office. What would change? More offshoring of jobs? Tax breaks and raises for CEO's what drill at home just to sell the oil to China? How does this help the Average American again? Hey maybe a new war in North Korea? Or Iran?

Don't try to spin this onto people living in fear. The real story which is told here is that this guy will do anything and make a deal with anyone, lie to anyone to stay in power. Outed by his own words. Doesn't matter what the subject of discussion was, matters what it shows about Obama.

Are we talking about Obama or Romney? I know you said Obama at the end, but pretty much everything you said describes Romney more than it does Obama.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. People look for reasons to reinforce their own preconceived notions. I am sure you have hated Obama for a long time and glum onto any negatively spun piece of news to further your disdain for him. Must be a cheerful life.

...The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency.... It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America--- Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president....

This is so funny!! You right wing fanatics are so desperate for anything to hammer the president on that you will make a mountain out of a molehill. Before, it was jobs and the economy. Well jobs are on the rise and the economy is improving, in spite of the "PARTY OF NO". So, to feed your in-bred hatred, you now move on to meaningless issues. If I were a right wing nut job, having to put up with another four years of Obama, I would end it all.

Look at the polls, you pathetic fools. Obama is increasing his lead over the gruesome foursome you call republican candidates. National opinion on Obama's handling on what matters most in this country--jobs and the economy--is past the 50% point and rising. Keep spewing your venom. Sooner or later that bulging vein, above the temple, will burst....But, keep up the writing; it makes for very amusing reading.

justified defiance,

sounds like a bunch of crap for justifying an elitist, right-wing overthrow of the government (which is where the right is heading anyways)

the truth of the REAL right wing comes out.

This little incident is not a non story. When our president speaks to the leader of a country which is obviously not our friend (look at the vetos regarding Syria that Ruissia and China have cast recently) and basically says let me get elected and I will see that we come to terms with you (our enemy) it displays a weaknes the Chinese and Russians simply love to see Since the famous and overblown "reset button" diplomacy of O and Hilliary the Russians have told us to shove the reset button up our collective asses.Anyone want to dispute this? If so please cite examples. To reward our enemies he rolls over for these really bad guys because to Obama the only thing that matters is his re-election. He has said I' ll take care of you just wait.We have to wonder what kind of american Obama is and just how far he would go to ensure his re-election. Imagine this power freak unleashed for a second term without any restraint? He is a bad man and historians (at least the honest ones) will have to conclude a big negative for this country.

What a non story.

Of course, the cons will spin it into a thousand conspiracy theories, given their vow to get rid of Obama no matter how or why.

Just more food for fools.

Collapsomania rules supreme today on this site. Maybe the president needs a loyal Newsviner to be closeby so any dumb things he says can be instantly collaped so nobody sees them !!!

downwiththe bolsheviks

You're wrong!! Here's what I heard from that little hot mike conversation: "Don't mess around until after November 2012. Once I get re-elected, I will sponsor legislation to abolish our constitution, dissolve Congress and the Supreme Court, make Putin our Lord and Master and turn over all of our GDP to Mother Russia. We can then help North Korea complete its development of ICBMs and provide them the right directions on improving their nuclear arsenal. Finally, I will begin to subvert all the ridiculous religions of this country but for one: ISLAM. it will be glorious when I can be president over the great Islamic Union of America."

So, get your hearing aid on straight and get a new prescription for your eye-sight. the above is want I heard and read from what was said on that hot mike. Anything else is BS.

Our education system has failed tremedously. Not only is the USA shown ranked 37th in education in the world the failure of education has placed us in a much more dangerous cituation. The lack of the development of critical thinking by so many people, many of whom are the first to make comments that shows their lack of inability to decifer the truth from fribulous statements. All of a sudden it is the present administration that ruined the economy. Ruined economy implies that there was an economy under the past adminstration. The definition of economy out of the Webster dictionary," states the word economy means: thrifty use of material resources: frugality in expenditures: the efficient and sparing use of the means available for the end proposed: an act of economizing." All of you (intelligent) people making irresponsible comments; tell me when or if any of those things applied during the Bush administration an; adminstration that received a national budget with a surplus of 1.5 trillion dollars. The national debt increased 72% during the Bush administration yet he gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy, started two wars, and pilford money from social security without paying it back. How in the hell are you going to acuse the present adminstration of careless spending when its spending was aimed at keeping this nation from going bankrupt. I want some one to argue that fact. The present adminstration has heroically stablized this country. But so many people find it easier to jump on the negative train and ride regardless if it has ran out of steam. Unfortunately some people are innately negative. You should read what you write and then check with facts. Some people believe an republican adminstration will improve the economy. We have an economy now that is improving. What is lacking is an improved mind set of greedy negative people who manipulate the news thus manipulating the weak minds of this nation.

TruePatriot,

First off, no one seems concerned that a conversation in hushed voices, which obviously was meant to be private, was eaves-dropped with questionable techniques and reliability. This is NOT an accidental hot mic scenario. It is an invasion of privacy and even a national security breach.

REALLY???

I am concerned the conversation took place in a room with open microphones PERIOD!!! Maybe the president shouldn't be talking about national security issues near OPEN MICROPHONES AT ALL.

Dude: hallucinate Much?

Yo-Ho...

Look at the bright side...you are among a portion of supporters of this president and anything he wants done who actually has the ability to get thru "amusing reading" successfully !!!

Wow, the Obamabots are still attempting to spin it where their 'leader' is really, really a great guy, just ignore his stating that he is in bed with Putin.

Face it, Obama could pitchfork puppies to death on the WH lawn and they'd excuse it. Call it a 'non story' or blame Bush or pull the race card. They are so caught up in the cult of celebrity that nothing that Obama does will concern them. Sign NDAA, Patriot Act 1 & 2, turing over national defense to the Russians and giving soverign water rights over to the UN bothers them not at all. Nope. But then, one would have to be in possession of cogent thought processes to be able to understand the enormity of certain actions.

Obama supporters: Ready, set, don blinkers and place fingers in ears, the neo-cons, pro-America nuts are dissing your hero, again. Sigh, what's a loyal supporter to do? Practice the fine art of not facing facts, dissembling, and ignoring anything that is unconstitutional about your president's actions, ready, set....Blame Bush!

It's about time some definitive proof was reported about Obama's arrogance.

Wake up voters. This is just more evidence that Obama will stop at nothing to get re-elected. He asked the Prime Minister of Israel to hold off war until after the election, saying he would send Israel new weapons if they did. Now, he's asking Russia to back off until after the election. What will we have to give Russia to comply with Obama's wishes. When will this country's best interest become more important than Obama's? The answer is never - he feels he is above the "constitution" and can do and say anything, as long as it benifits him. He is right -he has brought "change" to Washington. At least politicians before him had some love of the country and it's needs ,not this guy. How can anybody in good conscience ever vote for him? He is the most arrogant ,self serving president we've ever had.

So our President will say anything he has to, publically, to get elected. This is not new, We saw this the last time he ran for office. Broken promises are the evidence.

Wow, I'm just amazed with all who are calling Obama a liar. Tell me, what politician does not lie? What politician does not serve his self interest? What politician is not full of sh!t while trying to get re-elected? You people crack me up!!!

I'm not a fan of any politician, there are many things that I haven't agreed with that this administration has done. But, at the same tie, there are also many things that have been done well. Give credit where credit is due. Take the blinders off, open your eyes, look back at other administrations and you will see the same.

If you don't like Obama, blame McCain, he lost many votes trying to please the far right with his crazy choice for his running mate. Could you imagine her trying to negotiate with other world leaders if McCain would have bit the bullet from old age? Now that's scary! If you think she was a good choice and would have done better than a Harvard graduate, a constitutional scholar, go away, you've just proved your own intelligence, or lack there of.

Still she wasn't my favorite from the last election, as silly as she was with her lack of knowledge, "I'm not a Witch" from Delaware sill has me chuckling at times. Come on people, those are the ones you think would have done a better job? Wow, let's talk about the dumbing down of America now...

Ahh, but you see, some people do realize what a show and sham our 'elected' officials truly are. They understand that there really is no difference between the two parties. However, when confronted with all that Obama has done, they have the sense to be alarmed. Would McCain have been better? Nope, although I do believe that as dumb as McCain is, he still likes the country and cares about it whereas Obama has stated that he's not real fond of America and is looking to 'transform it.'

Mark, i'm not a Palin fan either. But just because someone graduates from harvard and is charismatic doesn't mean squat about running a country. He is no doubt a smart individual but a natural born leader he is not. IMHO.

mygirl1 - So tell me, who did you vote for in the last Presidential Election? Just curious.

It doesn't matter what steps are made to reform healthcare until costs are brought under control, and that won't happen, ever, especially so long as there are some groups that are favored over others. An individual mandate is not going to stop people who refuse to pay their bills in the first place and game the system from refusing to pay their bills and gaming the system--that's what they do. States requiring insurance to drive doesn't do any good, because people who don't want to pay for insurance or can't afford insurance or who just don't care, will continue doing as they do, as evidence the fact that most people now carry uninsured motorist coverage under their own policies so that their car can be fixed in the event of being hit by someone without insurance. The individual mandate only serves to force those who presently act legally yet who cannot now afford health insurance to either pay for insurance that is cheap and by its very nature painfully lacking in quality or pay a fine/tax implemented by the government (and where is the guarantee by the government that this money will solely be used for the purpose of covering cost of care to anyone)--but those people have always paid their bills, however slowly--They are Honest People! Businesses forced to comply with new rules will pass on the cost to customers, driving up the cost of everything. Businesses not forced to comply because they have been able to garner favor will eventually have to raise their prices as well, as everything is connected, but likely they will raise prices anyway because businesses set their prices on what the market will bare--remember these words. We'll all only ever continue to pay more:

UNTIL WE DECIDE WE'RE NOT PAYING THAT MUCH, that the service isn't worth the price.

They can only charge us what we will bare to pay! So many of you have insurance that you hardly pay for yourselves provided to you by your workplaces that you fail to realize that in just turning a blind eye to the rising prices of medical care, you have done everyone including yourselves a disservice. The price of government write-down for medicare and medicaid has been passed to you all along, just like you claim the cost of unpaid bills have been passed to you. But in reality, it hasn't passed to you, as you don't even notice the prices, because your insurance companies shield you from the reality that there are other people out here in the real world who can't afford insurance, who work at jobs that don't provide it, who own their own businesses and barely scrape by, whose prices constantly fluctuate with the market, who have to pay out of pocket for colds and broken arms and vaccinations that you go to the doctor for without any forethought at all, because the cost is absorbed by your insurance. If you had stood up long ago and said, "$800 for a doctor to look at an x-ray and decide you don't need surgery for a broken arm, not even a cast, just a sling, is a bit flipping much! No, I refuse to pay! Insurance company, don't you dare pay that!" then we'd all be better off. The fact of the matter is too many people have someone else footing the bill for them and are completely unaware of the price of anything.

I noticed four weeks ago when the cost of tea bags went up 10 cents. I noticed two weeks ago when sugar went up 20. I noticed when the milk we buy went up 40. I notice when I have to pay for something more, as no one else is paying for me. Nothing you say or do or regulate is going to make me able to afford to pay $500-$800 a month for my family to be insured and then have to pay a $1000 to $2000 deductible on top before we ever get a benefit.

If we're going to have an individual mandate, then every person should have to buy insurance out of their own pockets, not have it provided by their places of business, and none of them should be group policies, so that you don't get to get off thinking that insurance is really only $120 a month for your family and that your CT Scan is really only $200 when mine's a Thousand. The conversation about healthcare was not long enough and was not honest enough. It was pretentious. It is unconstitutional.

BigATC - To date, I have voted in 8 Presidential elections. 4 votes went Democratic and 4 went Republican. Only once the candidate I voted for did not win. It seems I vote for the lesser of 2 evils (sad but true).

I have yet to see a true leader or politician I trust completely, but I'd take intelligence over ignorance any day of the week.

BigATC

True Patriot, whose nuclear material was it that we removed from Libya? And exactly what type "material" was it? All kinds of stuff, including medical devices, contain nuclear material.

Invasion of privacy while he was standing in a public forum in front of a microphone? Now that is interesting

You are a well-known troll so I'm throwing a snack to you only once. Who's responsibility is it to be informed, yours or mine? Go check out Rachel Maddow's report yourself.

The "material" is high-grade enriched uranium needed to make nuclear weapons that the US distributed during Eisenhower, which we now cannot allow to fall in the hands of terrorists. Otherwise, MAD (mutually-assured destruction) deterrence with nation states like Russia aren't as much a concern.

Also in reply to 96ws6-- Please read -- The mic was turned on before the press was even in the room. Why? And why are whistle blowers, WikiLeaks, etc. pursued with a vengence for national security breaches, but not the Yahoos who turned on the mic and eavesdropped using technology to do it because otherwise they couldn't make out what the leaders were discussing in private?

danwill -- Thanks for your post to Justified Defiance. It was such garbage I couldn't read past the first sentence or two.

mygirl1-- "Obamabots?" Wow, I say it all the time that the GOP/TP have no original thought, and must resort to "I'm rubber, you're glue" fallacious argumentation. We have called Teapublicans the Borg for a long time, and now "Obamabots."

Jody, Iowa & Dont_carry_it_all -- Thanks, and it's good to see your posts as well!

James D Meredith...

What is lacking is an improved mind set of greedy negative people who manipulate the news thus manipulating the weak minds of this nation.

I knew there was a reason I shouldn't be reading from MSNBC or watching CNN any longer...

Luckily Obama didn't take it further and solicit some funds for his Super Pac while he was promising to take up the missile defense issue after his re-election. I meant to say IF he gets re-elected.

Oh how I can't wait to get a president in the white house that can set his sights on several countries and get us back into another war where we can send thousands of young men and women off to die and even more of them to doomed lives of misery and suffering from injuries they receive in these conflicts!!!

The one major flaw of Obama is his lack of supporting armed conflict and mayhem!! We need a president that projects an image of terror in every single human on this planet, one who initiates nightmares in the sleeping children of the world that the United States is a land of roving gunslingers who is coming to bomb and kill anyone who disagrees with or does anything that the US does not approve of!!!

The fact that Biden has not given a drunken shotgun blast to the face of someone he has been hunting with has seriously disappointed me as well, I mean how in the hell can you get any respect as second in command if you haven't given someone a good old life altering shotgun wound to the face (and then never offer any kind of apology) while carousing with paid escorts and then disappearing for the better part of a day?

Thats the kind of leaders that this country needs!!! Ones who will start a war without a second thought, ones who could give a @!$%# less about the environment or anything that could give our children any hope of a future, ones who support open trial less executions and the death penalty for anyone who speaks anything that the government does not want to hear!! Get to it and get someone in there who can start a war and get the US back on the map as a country that means business when it comes to bullets and bombs and just what kind of effect they have on sleeping children!!!!!

sumatyrolls...

You are 100% correct...we gotta dump Obama and Biden but fast!

ABO 2012!

sumatymrolls -- Love it -- LMAO. Nothing like satire to make a point! You realize there will be some conservatives who will think you're serious (like Stephen Colbert), because that's how stupid (and lacking humor) they are.

I realize this article was about nuclear missile defense, but for those of you who have a hard time keeping on topic and levitated to Healthcare, honestly read the link below. It has something for everyone, both parties.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/mar/25/switching-sides-individual-mandate/

sumatymrolls...

Here's the first paragraph of another news item on this very informative web site...

Stocks enjoyed their best one-day gains in nearly two weeks today in part because Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke seemed to signal the jobs recovery is too weak for interest rates to rise any time soon.

Now, really. Can we afford 4 more years of this guy?

Dear McPhDwee:

I'll put this in bold too, since it seems to be how you prefer to communicate.

Do I see a difference between what St. Reagan did and this minor incident with your President? Yep.

Ronnie almost got us into a serious conflict with the (then) Soviet Union. Why? Because he was an incompetent fool.

That plain enough for you?

ok 2 things

1. how can the mandate for health insurance be unconstitutional if the mandate on auto insurance is not.

2. Obama has more experince in political office than romney and sanctorum together maybe you dumba$$ republicans need to research before you open your damn mouths

first state Senate election 1996

second state senate election 1998

third state senate election 2002

and the 2004 Illinois U.S. Senate Election

JRM...

...and let us not forget Community Organizer...

That alone should give him the experience, eh? LOL!

You can't even quote Obama, word for word, in context without liberals calling you a hateful racist.

You idiots are seriously out of honest ways to defend this guy.

You idiots are seriously out of honest ways to defend this guy.

and right-wing idiots have long been completely out of ways to honestly attack him

worn out-4024611

Ruken, don't you think it might be because of government run department of education?

nope, more because local and state education boards that want to insert their religious nonsense like creation into school

and right-wing idiots have long been completely out of ways to honestly attack him

hahahaha. We've got endless ways of honestly attacking him. He's the biggest failure of a president in recent history.

Bush was going to take the spot as the biggest failure, but I guess Obama couldn't have that, so he had to suck even worse.

This Nation finds its strength in our rigorous belief in Freedom of Speech and the sharing of views whether popular or not. I have read the "collapsed" comments above and there is nothing wrong with them, they represent fair expressions of Free Speech. THOSE WHO DID THE COLLAPSING SHOULD MOVE TO IRAN.

Having so said, I will comment on the headline. It's typical MSNBC pro-Obama. MSNBC can't avoid covering this story but can make the headline, as in this case, as beguine as possible so people won't be drawn to the Article. What's wrong with: "Obama overheard offering a bribe to Russia for reelection support"?

Really, people, use your brains.

This article is about the President of The United States telling the President of Russia that there will e no negotiations about missile defense systems for the next 12 months.

Does ANYONE disagree? ANYONE? Really? Bueller? Ferris Bueller, how about you? A NEED to neotiate about missile defense systems this year? Anyone? Anyone at all.

DUH.

commonsense...

good try but your deflection of the real story won't fly. The real story is this POTUS's constant politicking. He puts everything below his desire to stump. How many other decisions has he tried to put off until after the election in Nov.? The guy is a dismal failure and he knows it. His approval rating is hovering in the low 40's...if he ruffles the feathers of any more in his flock, he'll guarantee his ousting...and he knows it!

Bush was going to take the spot as the biggest failure

true there, actually it is a mark of the depth of Bush's abject failure that it has taken this long to clean up the disaster he left behind. and we're still picking up the pieces.

are there things that could have been done differently? yes, but most would not have made a huge difference in this weak recovery

cantakenomore

You're quite wrong. The article is about a president who has to postpone important traties becasue he knows the right will not let him pass anything lest he get some well deserved credit.

He has not been a failure, but you'll never take off those hate colored glasses to see straight.

He has to put things off, the right won't let him do anything, just filibuster everything and then blame him for not passing it, even if it is a republican idea (like the mandate). That's the reality!

cantakenomore

You do realize that Obama is NOT THE ONE WHO PUT US IN THE SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN DON"T YOU????? Bush and his decision to invade the middle east is one of them, the fraudulent housing market bubble/worthless equity scam that freddy mac and their ilk (who were all in bed with bush and his republican buddies) were the start of all of this mess and Obama has had to deal with this mess his whole term!! Or did you forget that???

The reason he doesn't want to address it until after the election, because whether he wins or loses, he'll be no longer accountable to the electorate.

As an aside, this could be an example in support of why there shouldn't be presidential term limits, but I suspect lifting term limits wouldn't solve the accountability problem - certainly a president who had no intention of running for a 3rd or 4th term could act similarly...

One, two, three...altogether now...Blame Bush. Now, don't you feel better? Guess Clinton can be grateful that Bush was his predecessor. Oh, yes, Clinton gave him a surplus which he destroyed and he started two illegal wars, Medicare D etc and so on. Nothing says deflection better than passing the buck relentlessly. When is Obama ever going to be accountable? Half a billion to a failing solar energy company and it's not his fault, even though all the facts were there that the company was not a good investment. But hey, it's the fault of the Chinese...yeah, that's it, can't be my arrogance and wanting to push an agenda, nope, it's those rotten little Chinese that made a failing company handed a half billion dollars of taxpayer money fail. Did I mention that it was Bush's fault too?

My Girl....One cannot say it enough GWB screwed this country so bad it may take a decade to recover.

Also it's not blame....The conservative right should stand up and accept it; I guess they never learned when they were young children - own up to your own mistakes.

Just once I like to hear...Yeah we screwed the pouch, sorry for destroying the country.

Ferro...

get a grip, dude! Obama had a filibuster-proof...do you hear me??? A FILIBUSTER-PROOF congress for 2 damn years...couldn't pass a budget and is getting his healthcare fiasco handed back to him by the SCOTUS...

Tell me, what has this POTUS really accomplished? LOL...you libs can't handle the truth, can you? Barry is one and done! and it couldn't come fast enough!

ABO 2012!

Truepatriot

The mic was turned on before the press was even in the room. Why?

There is nothing at all unusual about this it is standard practice. The equipment is set up, tested, and TURNED ON ahead of time. The fact remains the president was talking about something he should not have been in a roomful of open mics. Please stop trying to make it sound like someone was doing something sneaky. No one did anyhing sneaky, the president just made a mistake.

It is pretty obvious that Obama knows the American people are not going to like what he is willing to give to the Russians, or it would not have to wait until after the election. How many other countries has Obama made similar jesters too? How many Obama winks and nods are other leaders receiving that the American people are not going to like? Obama cannot be trusted.

The real story is ...

Oh, I get it. What actually happened isn't what REALLY matters.

The REAL story is some paranoid delusional fantasy that you have to make up.

How many other countries has Obama made similar jesters too?

obama makes jesters also?

Depressed. How I (a republican, of all things) feel when I read these comments and realize how few Americans realize Russia is our ally in nuclear non-proliferation.

Obama tried to take this question off-mike because he didn't want to have to explain that to Americans who were clearly failed by the education system.

If this had occurred with a conservative POTUS, Feisty would be having kittens. And she knows I'm right.

Yeah! And it's a travesty that he failed to mention Trayvon Martin!

How can Trayvon be forgotten at a time like this, right Feisty Redhead??

It's the biggest story of the century, and somehow, this stupid missile defense gaff has pushed it out of the spotlight. How, oh how can high IQ liberals such as myself point fingers at everyone and their mother when Trayvon Martin isn't even the topic of conversation!? Nevermind that Obama makes a clown out of himself groveling before a Russian stooge.

Trayvon! Trayvon! Trayvon!

Where is the justice?!

Missiles ARE politics. Especially when being discussed between two countries. Obama knows trying to get anything done in congress right now is near impossible especially missile defense issues with Russia. I don't see anything scandalous or controversial about what was overheard.

Where have you people been since WWII? Missiles / Bombs with Russia are politics.

@Ben,

With all due respect, how often do you make a trip to the news stand? Politicians have been defering issues until after an election since forever. Really, this is standard practice.

Secendly, Ben, it's not like the US is on the brink of war with Russia. A series of missle talks can probably be set aside for a few months without any real threat of global thermal nuclear war.

I'm notsticking up for the president, other posters, or anybody. But, honestly, a politician's looking out for himself, herself, or the party is American as apple pie.

Obama should have told him that they have to hurry ....

Due to him being booted out of office soon ....

speaking the TRUTH is considered scandalous

No but suggesting to a foreign nations top elected official to not bring up a topic until after the election and if they do he will advance THEIR preferences is scandalous.

Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space.

Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you...

Obama: This is my last election…After my election I have more flexibility.

Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir

All this shows is how politics are played in the real world. Of course he wants to table difficult discussions until after the election. Every politician out there would say/do the same thing. Ethical? Nope. Admirable? No way. Realistic? You bet.

I still can't stand this guy any more than any other politician (they're all lying, cheating parasites), but I unfortunately have to throw in with the Evil Red One on this issue. She's right. There's nothing to see here, folks, move along.

Whats the difference? In a few more years of politics as usual we will be a bunch of commie slaves anyway.. Communism/Capitalism whats the difference? Corporations dictate policy here and have you considered what the corporate structure and business model resemble? Communism..............

Obama will win because he is a good corporate stooge..

That our great President would use wisdom and be caught and smucked with it by the republicans is nothing new. It is good seeing the President giving a little more forethought to his agenda of downsizing our nuclear arsenal. It takes the lies the republicans are spreading of the President disarming us for muslim take over right out of the water to hear that the President has taken the Missile Defense Shield to the point that the Russians actuality want to work with us on it with the one directive that it not be pointed at them. I like seeing the Russians willing to work with us and welcome it.

Nuclear missiles ...international diplomacy

If one does not play politics with these than what else would one play politics with ?

Righties are again going nutso over non-issues involving Obama

So predictable !!!!

OMG!! A politician working within politics in an election year. Who knew??

I am not an Obama fan, but this is not news.

Interesting to see his actions when he doesn't think anyone can see them. Just more evidence of his treasonous intentions to ruin this country.

Sometimes I think he's better off just playing golf. That way he can't be heard saying all the things he does around microphones. Keep him off the screeen unless he has his teleprompter, because he certainly can't think and talk on his own. He's proved that over and over. He should have been in the movie's as a President certainly not a real life one.

Oh the radical right wing, and their FAKE Outrage.

Fiesty having kittens. LOL, Now according to the left you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. And thanks to modern science pigs can now have kittens. So the big question is; Are the kittens born wearing lipstick?

For those saying "it's politics as usual" need I remind you that this president ran on a platform of Change!!! Sounds like campaigning as usual! It's both scary and baffling that some people think it's quite ok for our Commander and Chief to put his campaign ahead of the country!

Feisty sounds like someone spiked your Obama tea! You make no sense in your post!

I tend to think that this is plain old politics that has been practiced by so many over the years and am not that upset about it. However, what is upsetting to me is the continued blind loyalty that so many of the posters, ie. Feisty Redhead, Greg in NY, and AmyB, have to this no achievement, no integrity, empty suit that's currently occupying the WH. I swear, if he admitted to (hypothetically, no accusations here) raping 10 yr old boys and murdering 5 women, these people on the Left - especially Feisty Redhead) would find some way to defend him and blame the GOP!

If George Bush had said those words over a mike by mistake....you libs would have crucified him and the rep. party. BUT....since it was your hero, Barry Obama, you libs are giving him a pass and blaming the reps for making this a non-story a story. You libs really don't respect the right's intelligience, do you?

Playing politics with missles is a NONTROVERSY???? What an asinine statement from an unAmerican troll. This is no laughing matter and you make a chuckle. You should be ashamed for being such a brown nosed/mouth lacky

"don't play politics with missles"?

what do you think the better option is? WWIII?

what an absolutely idiotic statement

You libs really don't respect the right's intelligience, do you?

well, in the rare instances that they actually exhibit any intelligence, i'll give them a little pat on the head for actually thinking for themselves.

Yup, Obama stating that he's going to win the election is interesting. Is the fix in? Then, whispering to Medyev that he'll work with Putin after the elections, when the voters won't have any say in the matter is also interesting. So, presumably Obama will wait until after the elections to push all of his agendas forward. What the right hasn't figured out about the left is that Obama's agendas are their agendas, ergo, they will support him regardless of how badly his agendas harm the country. Most folks on the left tend towards the school of Marxist, redistributive theory anyways, so no surprises here. They support Obama because they don't understand or respect a constitutional government.

mygirl. perhaps you should look up "oligarchy" and "plutocracy", which is where the right is taking us.

oh, and no pat on the head for mygirl1, LOL

Oh, Dan, silly person, you think any of the democrats are for the constitution? I agree that both parties are equally shameful, at least the republicans are openly plutocratic, while the democrats are pretending to be for the 'little guy' while shafting him with equal zeal. Tsk. Progressivism has been and will be the destruction of this former Constitutional Republic

I will hunt down all the executive orders from Obama, seems he has much in common with Bush. Only difference between the two is that Bush was 'progressive lite' while Obama is 'industrial strength progressive.'

"Most folks on the left tend towards the school of Marxist, redistributive theory anyways, so no surprises here. They support Obama because they don't understand or respect a constitutional government."

We believe in the Constitution. We believe in keeping the government secular while allowing people of any faith to practice freely. We believe in allowing people to own in bear arms, just not walking around armed to the teeth hoping for a confrontation. Most of you don't even know what marxism or socialism is. As far as the conservatives are concerned it means Communism and thinks Russia still flies the Hammer and Sickles, therefor are our enemy and therefor Obama is a Commie, just like he's a Muslim for trying to maintain a good relationship with the Middle East instead of sending in more troops. Right now our enemies are militant religious groups from various countries and the only way we can defeat them is to let them defeat themselves. Obama suggests something that could save us a few billion a year and you all get pissed off because it's our superior missile stockpile that cost alot in defense spending to maintain. I'm hoping that we can get congressmen that will work with the President by next year, because there is no progress being made with them.

"So you think the return of Sharia law and the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda are good for Libya...typical ignorant rant...I suppose you think women should lose the right to vote as well? Great job there of bringing "peace" to Libya, Egypt and destabilizing the region."

How is Iraq any better after invading and occupying the country for eight years? The only thing good that came out of it was getting rid of Sodamn Insane. Afganistan was a better success, but now we have worn out our welcome and it's time for them to take care of themselves. Compaired to this pointless and high loss squirmish, our involvment in Libya was extremly limited, and there were no lies created to get support. Drone strike Gaddaffi from his hide out and the Libyans took care of him without a single American troop. Whether Libya or Egypt becomes a democracy or an Islamic dictatorship, it's really up to the people, they're not much worse than what they had before.

Will people get the h3ll out of their time machines and understand Russia is not communist, and has not been communist for 20 d@mn years?!!

Russia is a capitalist country with a strong central government. Imbeciles are raising my blood pressure, lol

Amy B., your comment about the pres getting those Arab dictators over thrown and such is utter nonsense. He had nothing to do with that except to get people killed because he waited so long to their aide. He wanted to look good for the election process and that is all. And he decided to help them as one muslim to another. Take off your rose colored glasses and see the real reasons he does anything, to help himself is all just like him asking the Russians for more time was to help himself not this country.

Amy - what are you talking about? Meds wear off?

my goodness, the mic caught a president talking like. . . a president. what a big oops. . . not

It was probably code for "did you bring your clubs, lets get 18 in after this meeting" and let Vladimar Know he can play Augusta before the Masters if I win next November.

I have lost respect for the media, I have lost respect for repugs. This president has had no help getting anything done. The repugs refuse to work with him and this media does all it can to cause trouble where there is none. Nothing he said was wrong and no one heard the whole conversation. You people are a bunch of crazies. He has my vote!!!!!!!

Except that JR is wrong!

Forrest Gump..."Stupid is as stupid does".

Forest Grump,

The real translation: "I can't do what I want to do until I can't get thrown out of office for doing it."

Obama: This is my last election…After my election I have more flexibility.

Medvedev: I understand, but we'll be dealing with President Romney at that time. I wish you well with your book tour comrade.

It's Grump not Gump, and being honest with the people you are negotiating with is never stupid, he is telling him the truth, that if he tries to start these negotiations before this election it will go nowhere. Republicans candidates will instantly start saber rattling that will make serious negotiations impossible. When I am negotiating a contract I have a responsibility to be fair and honest with the other side, and sometimes that requires telling them right up front what they are likely to achieve and what is likely an instant deal breaker, and I expect the same and receive the same honesty from experienced negotiators on the other side of the table.

JoAnnaSmith (post 6.3): HILARIOUS!

(Thus far, you get comment of the day in my book.)

Now, if this were another president, don't you think the article would have recapped Sarcozy calling Obama "dangerously naive and egotistical"?

I do.

It was, after all, on the same subject. . .

Get serious folks the president does not just cut deals without it being ratified by Congress, just like my negotiations have to be ratified by the membership before they become contractual. Many of the posts here will simply prove the point that at this time politics will make sensible, reasoned negotiations, and ratification of any agreements nearly impossible.

Please let me add to post 6.8: The president being truthful with the other side is called bargaining in good faith. It is not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of intelligence, and negotiating skill, it is the only way to gain the respect of the other side, so that you can win the things you need to win for your side of the negotiations. When it becomes apparent that you are not operating in good faith, the negotiation breaks down, the other side will not get what they want and the other side of that coin is that your side will not get what they want either. If you want to negotiate with strength the other side has to know they can believe what you say. This guy believes Obama, he understands what he is telling him, hell they get Fox in Russia, they know they would not get what they want, and Obama knows we would not get what we need either, at this time we would get a lot of hyped up rhetoric and neither side would get ratification of a solid agreement. You think they respect him less for telling them the truth?

Forrest---I had similar thoughts to you but also had the thought that since agreements will have to be ratified by Congress, the President would want to wait for the Democrats to regain control of the House and keep the Senate as well.

Steeler Fan even if republicans still have some control in Congress they are more likely to take a more reasoned approach after the election, at this time they have an automatic knee jerk response to condemn everything the president proposes even if it was a republican generated idea to begin with. In any event some people naively pretend that the president just makes any agreement he wishes with foreign nations and it is a done deal, however the truth is that no matter what is proposed it has to be ratified by Congress.

Forrest,

Seriously? That's your take on this?

Obama is willing to do ANYTHING to get elected. He is permanently in campaign-mode. In the last several months he has done everything he can to push any real issues off the table and beyond November because he can't really deal with those issues in a way that will get him elected nor can he campaign on his record on those issues because it is all a mess. Now the height of it is missile defense... He wants to slide that off the table until November when he'll have "more flexibility". Sure, as a lame-duck president he'll be able to do even more damage than he's already done without any fear of hurting his re-election chances as he 'll be unable to run again!

Forrest, You really think He is getting respect from the other side ? I travel abroad quiet often, and believe Me Obama is not gaining any respect anywhere, outside of the liberals in the U.S. We are the laughing stock of the world, same as when Carter was in office!

Where did we get the direct translation quote???? Anybody here fluent in Russian??? Do the Russians really understand our political system, as they are still struggling to establish their own post communist era???

I will respond to a couple of post here: first of all yes I am serious. The only things that are not getting effectively addressed are matters that Congress has to approve which is virtually everything, the only thing the president has direct control of is the military and he accomplished what what could not in 8 years he took out the man responsible for attacking us, the guy Bush forgot all about "because I have not heard much from him lately". Thirdly there is plenty of evidence that we are getting the respect and cooperation of many nations contrary to Joel's anecdotal claims that as he travels the president is not not getting any respect. Lastly you bet the Russians understand our political system, and when you underestimate what the other side understands and what they don't, you will likely lose at the negotiating table. Both nations can negotiate but both sides have to have their proposals ratified by the politicians representing the nation they are representing in the negotiations, and the president was being honest about the political fact that he would not have the flexibility to negotiate in good faith and have agreements ratified in the current political environment before this election. It is the truth and there is absolutely nothing wrong with telling the people you are negotiating with the truth.

JoAss1,

Who will beat Obama? The GOP cannot even get together on 1 candidate. You gonna hold your nose and vote for the GOP regardless?

Forrest, You really think He is getting respect from the other side ? I travel abroad quiet often, and believe Me Obama is not gaining any respect anywhere, outside of the liberals in the U.S. We are the laughing stock of the world, same as when Carter was in office!

I do not hear Bin Laden laughing.

You realize that President Obama was awarded a Noble Prize essentially for not being George W. Bush?

Forest, any two-bit Poker player knows it is stupid to lay your cards open. When you negotiate about something that can affect all of our future, a future that the President is mandated to keep secure, it is doubly dumb to say :"This is what I will do, even if you do not do it. I will unilaterally reduce our weapons if you give me time so that I can screw the American people ." First he gave oil-rich islands to the Russians, now he is giving them our future. This combination of ideology and the dire need to be loved is putting us all in danger.

And, hospitals are not required to do anything more than stabilize E.R. patients...not treat them for any and every ailment they walk in the door with...

I dunno what ERs you've been to. But ERs have to treat even uninsured, not just stabilize them. Post by Ruken

I answer to Ruken and others post: That's true Ruken, Hospitals do have to treat any and everyone. It is against the law to not call for treatment or treat anyone that need help. It's called negligence if they neglect a person needing a doctor.

As to the government health care plan, We need one like a lot of other countries to stop the medical industry from running a lot of people into the poor house or should I say out of their homes. Anyone that has young children grown up and a family starting out that has children get cancer or a family member get cancer and insurance drop them because of job loss or any other reason can see this. Anyone that hasn't is ignorant to it.

As to this article and the conversation...Same ole same ole and I don't get how it go's from missle to medical with the post. LOL Gov talk I guess.

The last thing you want in a serious negotiations is a two bit poker player. A two bit poker player will get his head handed to him in a negotiating session with pros, negotiating is not poker, you don't bluff with other people chips. Negotiating is bargaining, and to be productive and produce agreements both sides can live with it and benefit from it has to be done in good faith. I negotiate on behalf of many different people I represent, and I negotiate with parties that have a dependency on each other and both sides have to end up with agreements that will be viable and benefit both well into the future, both their livelihoods depend on that. Poker is a game of bad faith, I play poker solely for my own benefit, I play only with my own chips, I play to wipe out the other side. I negotiate in good faith, I play poker in bad faith, I do well at both.

A lot of negotiations are done on the golf course, did he forget his clubs or is it too cold to get in 18 holes. He needs to stay out of the limelight and do his backroom deals on the course so noone can hear him because of what a stand up guy he is. Honest, outfront with his comments (I mean whispers) and all the congressional and meetings on C-Span like he promised. He was going to be Open with his discussions and upfront with the American People. Yeah right, this guys is more like a wolf in sheep clothes. We will not know how much damage has been done in these four years until he's gone. I'd vote for an orange juice can before I'd even think about voting for this clown. I don't think America put the correct minority in office, it should have been a Woman. At least you know when women speak they tell you like it is even if their bold face lying like Pelosi. For the life of me, the people in her district must feel pretty much Duped for allowing her to stay in office. At least Hillary has a pair.

Do those deals get ratified on the golf course as well? No they don't, they have to approved by Congress. I am again amazed at how much power the republicans think the president has over them. He does not have the power to enter into a backroom or golf course agreement on behalf of the USA. Tell me what damage has the president done that was not ratified by Congress?

Forrest Grump,

You're missing the point. Of course presidents should negotiate in good faith and, of course, treaties have to be ratified by Congress. Obama isn't worried about ratification, he's worried about his second term. Congress has nothing to say about that. The people do. That's why he's worried and recalcitrant.

President Obama's worried? Why? He consistently leads the GOP's losers in the polls and as long as "Etch-A-Sketch" and the other failures continue to choke, President Obama has absolutely nothing to worry about:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

Forrest Grump,

"Get serious folks the president does not just cut deals without it being ratified by Congress"

You mean like the deal he cut with the UN on Libya?

I don't think America put the correct minority in office, it should have been a Woman. At least you know when women speak they tell you like it is even if their bold face lying like Pelosi. For the life of me, the people in her district must feel pretty much Duped for allowing her to stay in office. At least Hillary has a pair.

Just to clarify, women are not strictly a minority, since the sex ratio remains relatively equal. "Telling it like it is" is the opposite of lying. I agree that Hillary Clinton exhibits a tough constitution, if that is what you mean by having "a pair". Finally, President Obama is one-half African ancestry, which is entirely irrelevent to his stupid mistake of speaking into a hot mike. Any presidential historian will agree that the content of the conversation is not atypical or unusual for any past President. Actually, race and gender are entirely irrelevent to this conversation, except to racists and sexists. Maybe you would not be so misogynistic if your interactions with women were more pleasant. I suggest you start by not leading with anything remotely similar to, "at least you have a pair, lady, not like those blacks."

Reform the GOP - this is not really the point, is it ? The point is that the President promises Putin to reduce the missiles once he is reelected and can screw over the American people.

That is the outrageous thing about this deal. "If you wait, I will give you what you want, not what the American people want."

Out in the woods, If thats the conclusion you came to do us all a favor and stay in the woods

Mo-...., let me spell it out for you commie Buffet democrats. (see, two can play this game) Your weaselly POS POTUSdoesn't have the guts to come right out and tell the American public, he wants to scrap the missile defense system, but will instead do it to appease our enemies once there is no potential consequences for doing so. Obama has a spine like cooked spaghetti.

Hardtostartboard: Russia and China are two capitalistic allies. Nothing commie about those two countries. They are even more capitalistic than the USA, as in China its forbidden to make better working conditions for employees. Russia had increased their energyprices in the last 2 decades to something more vauable than the European energycompanies together. You might still call them commies, but you have blindsided yourself.

You lost your credibility with your opening sentence hardtostarboard. So then you proceed to try and tell us what President Obama is thinking. You must think you're one smart dude (NOT) if you know what someone is thinking. Like I said earlier, every one of you tea people Koch republicans posts shows just how desperate you people are.

I guess if you have nothing of value to say, you start out your comment by calling the other side ridiculous names, hunh MO? You must think you are one smart dude and I am thinking "Not". Rock Chalk Jayhawk.

"oh" like george w bush did anything great in his 2nd term, I can't think of one thing he did to help this country.. They blame clinton for what's going on now and also obama, well let's look at what the right says, clinton started to bring america down and we was on a down slide, now they say obama has done nothing to fix the problem in the last 3 years, well righty's you had your man in there for 8 years and he did nothing to fix anything, so what or how will you defend those facts, he was not a good president in anyway. Today all I see is romney, he is another george w bush, he is out of touch with the middle class and lower class americans, he is for the rich and he will be in office for the rich and the rich only.. now before you righty's start on me, I'm not a lefty or a righty, I don't belong to these so called clubs where your man can do no wrongs, if you want to belong to a club go hit some balls on the golf course and learn to vote for someone who will do the job, not just because he is a lefty or a righty, that is most of the problem with america, people don't work together any more and we just keep going down hill....

most people will not tell you that the average unemployment rate under Regan was 7.3 pecent, which anybody can look up on the internet

MO--nice name and logo BTW--I'm not sure what civics classes you took, but the president CANNOT negotiate away our policy on the defense shield, or much of ANYTHING else unless he regains control of the House and KEEPS control of the Senate. NEITHER is likely.

So that puts Obama's 'promise' to the Russians right up there with his promises to women's rights to abortions/birth control, gays rights to get married, etc as promises he made with no intention or ability to effectuate. (And for the most part, no real desire to)

Which makes him just like all the OTHER politicians.

I voted for Obama, (altho I will admit it was mostly voting AGAINST McCain) and had great hope for his promise of "hope and change''.

Not for "no hope we'll change".

Hey trainman I don't know where you got the blame Clinton thing form? He caught this country up while he was in office and has been trying to help the GOP during the current Presidents term.

Well Mo........, I may have lost my creds with my opening sentence, but unlike yourself, at least I had some credibility to loose. The whole point of my opening sentence was to make fun of your lame attempt to lump republicans as all bought and paid for by the Koch Bros. The democrats have their own special interest groups, and guess what most of them are multi-millionaires too. If you believe the democrats are the party of the common man, you are very sadly mistaken. My other point was if Obama wants to scrap this system, fine, then bring the argument to the American people and tell us why this is smart, and not just an appeasement to people who do not like us.

jim....., way to use a stat to try make a false impression. Under Reagan, the unemployment rate was high when he took office, and much, much lower when he left. If you want to use average, why didn't you use Bush? OH thats right, the unemployment rate was about half what it is now, far less than half if you compared it to the true unemployment rate.

President Bafoon O'Clown does it again. Shows how inept he is.

The Supreme Court needs to uphold Constitutional Law and keep politics out of any decision. This is not about Republicans and Democrats. It is about what is Constitutional and what is NOT. They are not there to choose their favorite candidate. They are not there to threaten our freedom, rather they are there to preserved our Freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. The Congress nor President has the right to take away Freedoms from the people of this United States. That's why there is a Supreme Court.

We will soon know whether the men and women who sit as Justices are honest and trustworthy. If they are not, we need to remember they were appointed by Presidents and approved by Congress and if they have robbed us of our rights and freedoms, then everyone who nominated and voted for them needs to be eliminated from their office because they are accountable to we the people. If that means we have to have a totally new Congress and President, then so be it.

reader, That is what the right has been saying, they blame clinton for the fall of our banks, housing, employment, etc., while they had george w bush up there for 8 years who did nothing to fix this so called problem that clinton had made in their eye's, in we all know is not true, bush started this down hill slide of jobs, income, housing, banks, etc., he put it all on obama when he came into office, and now the right says it is all obama's fault, but remember they had 8 years and did nothing at all. if you righty's say this is not true them you are as big a liar as george w bush was. again I'm not a righty or a lefty, all I do is look at the facts and I know if I'm going to vote, it will be for someone who will do the job, not his party. many on here act like there high school kids and they have there klicks and if you are not in their klick then you are nobody, now we wonder why as americans nothing gets done, we fight to much over parties, not the real reasons to fix the problems. we are the UNITED States of America, not the left states or the right states of america.... Wake Up.............

Was Romney born in the USA?

jim-653566:

Great question. I heard he was born in Canada and thus NOt an American citizen and ineligible to run for office. We should demand his birth certificate. Then we need to get Donald Dead Animal on My Head Trump on the case to really prove it.

How much money has Romney got stached overseas?

Let's see .... as it relates to the article, the comments at #10.1 and #11.1 are irrelevant.

Do you want to see if you can go for THREE IN A ROW ??? Deflect, deflect, deflect .... Obama got caught being "Obama" so let's have all the libbies deflect and talk about something else !!!!!!!!!!!

its a non-issue jim, obama can't make any kind of deal without congress, and they are too busy trying to get elected themselves. therfore no deal until after the election.

pretty effing simple, but simpletons want to make a big deal out of it.

Is Romney a Christain? What's with the weird panties he has on?

No he is not a Christian. Are you smoking something.

The only people smoking something are Romney supporters

Actually, jim 653566 has now made 4 comments that seem to have nothing to do with the article.

Deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect ....... do we have more ????

Maybe recess will be over soon and he will go back to class !

Actually, I've saw nothing that is even about this article, even your deflect, deflect and deflect doesn't seem to say anything... I figured I would talk down at you instead of with you... after all sometimes you have to talk down to morons I can always tell when there is a republican is the house (it stinks)

Will "Slick Willie" also bring back the "Presidential knob polisher" with him ?

I don't care if he brings in a thousand "knob polishers". clinton did a thousand times better job than shrub (little bush) did.

Romney plans on letting the USA go bankrupt, then selling parts of it to other goverments, I hear China was on Romneys' list to get Florida...

President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are increasingly moving to strip America of vital defense capabilities through a web of international treaties and agreements. Already, Clinton is negotiating a code of conduct in outer space that would effectively ban our capacity to destroy satellites and put interceptor missiles in space.

Last week, the president announced that he was going to provide the Russians with detailed technical information about the anti-missile systems he plans to base in Eastern Europe, in the hopes of lessening Russian opposition to their deployment. He is exacting no reciprocal sharing of intelligence, nor can he be sure that Vladimir Putin will not just turn around and forward the gift package to North Korea or Iran.

Read the rest of this article @: http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/217153-obama-tells-secrets-to-russia

It's quite revealing.

KIA, your listening to dick morris no wonder you think like you do

I occasionally read articles by Mr. Morris, and a great deal of articles written by other sources as well. There were no words lambasting Obama, just some facts about the real possibility of our defense being compromised by giving our secrets to Russia.

And you really don't know me, so how can you even comment on "how I think," by reading one reference to an article?

Quick to judge, don't you think?

You don't know what you don't know. This president is doing what he has to do for our country and us. This so called congress will not work with him, have not worked with him, have gone out of there way to not work with him. He has my support and my trust.

This president need not worry about dumbing down the American electorate as long as he has you and your ilk. After reading the posts here and elsewhere from Obama haters, Tea-pots and reprobates in general, I am very aware that a large part of the electorate is more than dumb enough. Correction, please, I mean STUPID. I wish they WERE dumb (mute, that is).

he can BS anyone with his diversion tactics and divisive rhetoric

obviously talking about the republicans, who have done nothing BUT spew divisiveness and diversion

I'm not to worried about Romney he'll tell the republicans' what they want, but he'll probly do what's best for the country.. Romneycare will be universal... Now the other guy is a nut case

Hey Golfinsocal:

No, when we allowed the Crawford Village Idiot to steal not one but TWO elections, we had then officially lost our minds and our country. While I'd be the first to agree President Obama has made many mistakes, he is a decent man, trying, I believe, to do the right thing. Your man bush was (and remains) a silly, little man with a very wicked heart, bent on doing wrong. And he worked for a very wicked OLD man with ne heart, just a wicked nature trying to only evil.

Be of good cheer - if we could survive 8 years of tyranny and destruction foisted upon us by the likes of bush / cheney, we're certainly strong enough to survive and flourish for the 8 years President Obama will be in the Oval Office.

Paul ... Are you Ok? Tyranny...Destruction? Really???? What 3rd world country do you come from? I understand you did not like Bush...I was not pleased with him either. At the same time Obama is worse.....on every level. He is destroying the Power Industry in Pittsburgh and laying off many of our Union friends. In the end all this man wants to do is get re-elected. He makes me ill. Nobody wants to work with him... do you think that will change 9 months from now? They do not respect him. When Clinton was in office the Repubs hated him but the respected him.

Roger--and the kicker is that ROMNEY did not MAKE the etch-a-sketch comment.

Obama DID make this one.

The beginning of this blog looks like the Titanic.......everyone went down for having an opinion on the subject. Come on people.....let the public speak their piece......we are all adults here.

your correct about the GOP changing there minds when the Pres. goes along (like mandates) but if he used reverse psychology i think it would really confuse the GOP and they would probably all jsut be standing around looking at each other trying to figure out what just happened.

and to bigben- maybe Pres. Obama's hope and change scares the hell out of you but it's people like you that scare the hell out of the rest of us- at least the sane ones

I hear he wants micheal steele as a vice president... Is that a fact?

Mr. flim fan man caught with his pants down. Obama has to be the worst President we have ever seen. Good ole corrupt Chicago politician.

Well said hummbird, if the President was as dishonest as most of our previous Presidents, especially Bush/Cheney, he would put up the front of the tough guy and keep all diplomatic efforts behind closed doors. I like the fact that he is genuine and not afraid to speak his mind no matter who the official may be. The only other guy that I would have voted for, because he had the same traits, I served under, that would be Gen. Colin Powell. Yep, I'm independent, so both parties better watch out.

But it wasn't McCain it was the current liar in chief.

Why, when he took a trip there in his days as a so called "prisoner of war" he had no problem working with them.

All of you Progressives talking about Republicans supporting the mandate years ago. The fact is the people who believe in a limited government never have supported the mandate.

Republican elected leaders have supported it because they are nothing more than Democrats who move slower to take our freedom. The only difference between a McCain and Obama was the speed at which we would go off the cliff. Even though the same may be true with a Romney, we have to take Obama's foot off the gas and hope we can force Romney to go in reverse.

Right now, Progressives are happy hating everyone but themselves. They are all for an omnipresent government telling us how to live our lives. Of course they will only be happy with that government if their team is dictating the rules and those rules don't apply to them.

A centralized government dictating to its citizens is a regressive model embraced by so-called Progressives. It's amazing to watch these contortionists make their arguments as we speed toward the cliff.

At least he wasn't cursing? Obama practically saying he plans to take a huge dump on America if he gets elected again is far worse than cursing. The quote, "This is my last election…After my election I have more flexibility.", says it all. If its bad enough that he has to wait until he possibly gets elected again for fear that he won't be elected if done before that, then it probably shouldn't be done at all. That shows right there that he doesn't really think it will be good for our country, but he plans to do it anyway if elected. Wake up people! Obama is a weasel who only cares about his own personal agenda, and if elected again, he will run this country into the ground if it gets him what he wants. It was a mistake to elect him the first time, but we can still recover. Vote for him again, when he doesn't have to worry about pleasing anyone to get elected again, and you're basically signing the death warrant for America.

dude, your avatar pic so screams of trying to be billy-bad-ass. no bueno

I just dont want to be one of the horses he trades-or sells out.

Easy12,

What are you talking about? John McCain is a "so-called" prisoner of war? That's one of the most offensive comments I've read yet. Have you not noticed the man's arms, how damaged they are? He was a prisoner of war. No matter what your opinion of him as a senator or presidential candidate is, he deserves respect. He withstood conditions that most of us cannot even imagine or could have survived.

Would you please cite the sources of this idiotic theory of yours?

It appears, as with everything else, freedom of speech also has its' limitations!

WTF-why theres' f__k

Did it catch obama farting too? Golly.