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Subscribe to RSSAs world leaders meet to discuss Somalia, there is evidence of a growing threat to the U.K. from the war torn country's militant group al-Shabab. NBC's  Rohit Kachroo reports.
NAIROBI, Kenya – Staring directly at me with glazed eyes were two young men whose anguish says so much about the pure evil of al-Shabab, the Somali Islamic militant group.
The pair had escaped from Mogadishu, the Somali capital. One of them was a 19-year-old who, as a boy, was accused of stealing a piece of bread. He lifted the dangling sleeve of his shirt to reveal the punishment dealt out by his accusers, a group of al-Shabab fighters: His hand had been cut off. Not only that, but one foot had been cut away, too.
Sitting next to him was a baby-faced 21-year-old. He was a lowly laborer who was accused of being a senior government spy. He was told that he had “spoken too much,” so a militant henchman sliced away part of his tongue. Today he struggles to speak. To shield another wound, on his neck, he wears a dirty bandage which hasn’t been changed for the past week because his family cannot afford medical treatment. Without such help, his father told me, he is unlikely to live for more than two months. (The names of the two men are being withheld to prevent reprisals against them.)
Sadly, these types of atrocities are typical of al-Shabab. It is the reality faced by those unlucky enough to live in the lawless areas of
Somalia that they control. Somalia has been without a functioning central government since 1991.
Worryingly, the Somali insurgents formally merged with al-Qaida this month.
World leaders pledge help
On Thursday, international leaders, including the U.K.’s Prime Minister David Cameron, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, met in London to try to address the multiple problems faced by Somalia, arguably the planet’s most anarchic state.
A local attempt at a reproduction of the British flag is pictured flying in the southern area of Mogadishu on Thursday. Hundreds of police and security personnel were deployed in Mogadishu's streets ahead of a high level London conference on Somalia's security situation.
"For two decades Somalia has been torn apart by famine, bloodshed and some of the worst poverty on earth," Cameron said at the conference. "If the rest of us just sit back and look on, we will pay a price for doing so," he added.
Cameron warned that Somalia's al-Qaida linked militant group al-Shabab could export terrorism to Europe and the United States, with dozens of British and American citizens traveling to Somalia to train and fight with the Islamists.
Piracy, kidnappings, extremism, foreign infiltration and hunger. It is difficult to know where to start. Which of these many problems should take priority?
Biggest threat? Foreign fighters
I asked the Mayor of Mogadishu, Mohamed Ahmed Noor, a popular and optimistic man who returned to his native land after spending many years running an internet café in north London.
“It’s the foreign fighters” he said.
According to estimates, there are as many as 200 foreign nationals fighting with al-Shabab in Somalia. One former insurgent, currently in hiding, recently told me that he was certain that Americans had traveled to Somalia to fight with the militants, and that he personally knew of “six or seven” British fighters in the Mogadishu area who specialize in high explosives.
Matt Dunham / AP
British Prime Minister David Cameron, fifth left, leads the Somalia Conference at Lancaster House in London on Thursday.
Not only do these fighters threaten Somalia. The mayor pointed out the danger of those militants returning to their own countries with terrorist techniques learned in Somalia. He believes that the Western powers need to fix this failed state or risk attacks in their own territories. “It’s a training field here so they may train here and go back…we are in the same boat,” he said.
At the London conference, the leaders praised some signs of progress – pirate attacks are down and al-Shabab has been mostly driven out to Mogadishu by the African Union peacekeeping mission. The leaders pledged new funding to support political and military measures to fight al-Shabab militants. They agreed to a seven-point plan vowing more aid, and help fighting terrorism and piracy.
The people of Somalia, such as the two men I met in Kenya, are hopeful that the plan brings success and peace.
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the world needs to back out of the third world problems. let these people kill each other off. it is called population control, and it will eventually breed leaders to move them out of the stone age. by butting in, they stay oppressed because we only back certain tribes.
tribes like the pirates that attack ships in international waters. warlords that steal supplies sent as aid for the starving who never see it.
It is a human tragedy, yes, but one that the world perpetuates, and that is the true tragedy, that the people of the world refuse to see the whole picture.
That's a rather cavalier attitude toward genocide, Ulmer...
It's hard to have any sympathy for these people, but you have to put yourself in their place. What would you do if your country were taken over by religious extremists with guns? (And no, the Christian right doesn't count.) Could you fight back? Would you? Say goodbye to your family and livelihood if you do. Same if you try to run away. I feel sorry for them, but I don't see any way to help them except by massive international intervention, and no one has the political will or the money for that.
Why does the Christian Right not count? Just curious, cause there are plenty of extremist groups in the US who consider themselves Christian.
Brisaber: I was joking, but no matter how obnoxious their philosophy may be, it's not like they're running around hacking off people's limbs. Yes, okay, they shoot the occasional abortion provider and beat up gays, but they're not really in the same league as Somalia.
I agree with S. Ulmer, as harsh as it seems. They really need to learn to take care of themselves and their own problems. We cannot keep putting band aides on to get them through their crisis of the moment. It doesn't change anything, they just need more band-aides for the next crisis because they, quite frankly, keep over breeding.
Read your history books, many atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity on the same level and greater.
You are a complete and utter moron.
The problem is this. They won't just kill themselves. They have to go other innocent people. They are just another group of murderers who kill in their God's name. They use religion to justify what they do, but their argument is bogus.
And these people get all up in arms because a Nato or American officer burnt 2 Qurans. These self-righteous militants disgust me. They are committing atrocities against fellow countrymen and have the gall to accuse us of poor conduct!!!
I must agree. We gave Central America Ford Tractors to modernize into the 20th Century. They farmed, the tractors broke down and they had no idea how to perform repairs nor upkeep. The Berlin Wall fell. We tried to bring East Germany and parts of Europe that were WARSAW Pact Countries into the 20th Century and it caused Wars and Economy decline for much of the rest of Europe. The more we interfere the worse we make situations.
PS Watch the 3rd Jihad on youtube if you want to learn more about how these extremists and it's not propaganda. The video was made by a non extreme Muslim.
Any in the last few hundred years?
Islam, like any epidemic, needs to be isolated and allowed to consume itself.
The problem in Somalia is the complete absence of a functional government. The alleged government is powerless and is little more than a toothless old dog that barks forlornly as the country gets worse and worse. The situation has become so bad that the only way it is ever going to be fixed is by very harsh military action.
This is how you do it. Confiscate all weapons except for police and military. Anyone found to be armed after a very brief amnesty is executed on the spot. Anyone found to be aiding or abetting the lawless elements is executed on the spot. Any foreigners found in the country without proper travel documents are executed on the spot. Any clergy found to be inciting militant action are executed on the spot. When all is said and done, you will have a very bloody spot and no more problem.
These are certainly draconian measures but if unwaveringly applied, they will get rid of these murderous scum as well as their support network. If you are not willing to go to these lengths, then you are doomed to fail since this cancer is too deeply entrenched to be removed by lesser means.
AG99 - I would certainly put the KKK in the same league as Somalia. There are others as well (Army of God, Hutaree, etc.). People in the West like to think this only happens elsewhere in the world, but in reality we have our own fair share of religious/political fringe fanatics, and they can be just as deadly. Theirs just are more active at the moment.
But I do agree with your main point - leaving them alone to their own devices is not going to solve any of those problem spots in the world. On the other hand, nobody has the political will and/or money to really deal with it. So damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Fishingfool555 - seems like you took some pages right out of Stalin's book. Or was that Hitler. Eh... same difference. Kill everyone who doesn't agree with the people in power. Doesn't usually work out too well in the end.
But, its ALL the fault of the United States! How dare we feed them!
No one here cares about genocide, because if they did, they'd be rooting for us to go back to Somalia. That's just a matter of fact assessment. Nobody on Newsvine or anywhere else cares unless they have oil. Well, we care enough to kill the people who are dumb enough to want to bomb us while their own leaders chop off limbs.
Don't pretend this is about morality. If you had $1000 less per year because they had oil and wouldn't sell it to you, every moral person would be breaking out their Bible and using it as a handy excuse for an invasion. But they don't, so let's just stop bitching about going or not going as if anyone cares.
Another happy day in the land of Islam....Savages! Too many years of drinking camel urine and sitting in the sun too long!
America beware of the Trojan Horse that waits to be wheeled inside the fort, it's full of butchers with no conscience!
They have no oil. We can't help them.
What does a Somali and Yoko Ono have in common?
They both live off of dead Beatles.
It is great to be an American where we can eat till we explode if we want to. I am going to go watch the Man vs. Food marathon. These limbless starving people just depress me.
Have we not forgot BlackHawk Down, Rent the movie and then tell me if we belong there. I say back off seal the border and let them fight it out. They are animals and should be treated as such
(The names of the two men are being withheld to prevent reprisals against them.)
Yeah, like al-Shabab is patrolling MSNBC.
And Iran is the problem? Oh, that's right, US interests, oil.
Ron Paul
2012
I treasure the Civil Rights Act and First Amendment far too much to vote for Ron Paul. Let him lord over us plebs from Congress if you want, but keep him out of any real leadership position.
Here we go AGAIN !!! "The Leaders" are going straight to the IMF and ask for "reconstruction", "introduce Democracy", "arm the Somalians", "aid", and "fight terrorism and piracy" FUNDING.
Heya, Somalia Summit Leaders......the IMF rainbow pot is empty after bailing out Greece. Wait a minute, Italy and Spain are wanting handouts also.
Toasty McGrath
Did you see the article the other day about reverse discrimination because of the Civil Rights Act that is headed to the Supreme Court? A white girl who was not let into her college of choice because of minority quotas, even though she was more qualified.
THe CIvil Rights Act created more than equal rights mentality.
It's a cavalier attitude but do you want ANOTHER Afghanistan, TIMES TEN, Toasty?????
I think you're going to have to elaborate how that has anything to do with what I said, HT.
Toasty McGrath
What? No comment about how the Civil Rights Act isn't inherently prejudice in and above itself?
@Toasty, that's her claim. The lower courts ruled against her. We'll wait and see.
Get real folks the somalians have been there longer than the united states has existed and if the archaeologists are right, longer than europe has existed. So far as I know conditions have never been better for them or worse. Where do we get off telling them anything? Didn't hilary learn anything from bill's little excursion?
One more little fact, any time their population makes much of an increase, they starve to death. They have about the correct level of population at this time, not much starvation.
what's the matter john? can't stand the fact that you have to sit on the same restaurant seat a black man sat on?
danwill
I am mostly Native American so I don't think it appropriate to infer that I am racist.
We really need to send Toasty McGrath, U.K.’s Prime Minister David Cameron, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to Somalia to go fight Al Sheebah.
Do not get my friends at US AFRICOM involved, by the way remember I told all of you not to learn Swahilli and African Tribalism, and to learn Arabic and Islam.
As far as Time Ten, not really, here at Afghanistan the same things are still happening, just not reported in the Media (it would look really bad for President Obama if they reported that things actually got worse due to his Rules and Policies.).
How many of you are old enough to have participated in President Clinton's UN Mission Somalia I and UN Mission II. So now instead of President Clinton volunteering our Lives and Money we have SOS Clinton doing that. Like I posted before about being involved with Somalia, I refuse to do another Mogadishu Mile.
Oh, yes, also do NOT get involved with Syria. I told all of you why. I also mentioned things about Foreign Fighters before also.
The main problem with places like Somalia is their overbreeding. Until the overbreeders address that issue and actually do something about it, this will continue FOREVER!
Invent the problems and then solve them.
Some in the process make monies.
Saudis by manipulating oil prices, made monies and exported their brand of Sunni Isalmic radicalism and terrorism. Saudis have become far richer in this business.
Their problems are all over the world to keep most non-Muslims busy.
Also UN wants to help Somalia. So here UN people have lots monies to pocket them.
Many Somalis, just like Muslims from other troubled or basket case nations, did Ramadan sytle soap operas and the US, Britain and European nations gave entries (asylum and so on) of all sorts.
Now British PM sees the dangers of them being trained by al-Qaeda and is realizing they are threats inside!
The politicians have new business to handle instead of worrying about the huge unemployed, economic problems, sickly and elderly inside!
Is it not better to worry about global problems instead of inside?
"Is it not better to worry about global problems instead of inside"?
In other words Jon, Congress loves global distractions because it keeps them from doing their cushy, 100 day per year jobs here at home?
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Off-topic, but you do know that Yoko was born into a very wealthy family, right? She was already rich, long before John made his money.
What gets me is that idiot lead singer from the rock group U2, expects America to throw more TAXPAYER money away at Africa! This country is already broke because of TERRIBLE leadership from the bushie years for crying out loud! Any American who goes to a U2 concert is a complete moron.
By any chance, did some burn Quran to deserve their punishments?
ObeyTheLaw: All President's Men movie played over and over again!
SU, I think we DO see the whole picture. It is called extremist Islam.
Another story about the peaceful religion of Islam...............Priceless.
Watch the 3rd Jihad on youtube if you want to learn more about how these extremists are trying to takeover our govt' and it's not propaganda. The video was made by a non extreme Muslim.
"Extremist Islam"...is there another kind? Oh yeah, there are two kinds of Islam...Extremist and Silent. The silent, by their silence, condone the extremist. There is no moderate or peaceful Islam--peace with non-Muslims is against their religion.
Sadly the vast majority of American Muslims fall into the silent category. Seldom do we hear from an American Muslim condemning the mutilations, genocide, & rapes of one Muslim upon another. I'd guess that if it came down to it, most American Muslims would join the jihad against the rest of us if (when) it finally hits the stadiums, schools, & shopping malls of America. And it will. 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and the vast majority of them live in conditions that are as bad as they get.
No. I don't think that I'll be visiting any Muslim countries in my lifetime.
How about it MUSLIMS lets patrol your own a$$$$oles
Do you really want to see the whole picture?
Go to College at an Islamic Nation to learn Arabic, then go learn Islam (taught in Arabic), while living with a local family for a few years (you can wear anything, except a US Military Uniform or if you are a woman).
Then go participate in the Wars as part of the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces attached to SAD/SOG. Meaning your arse is living with the locals, for years of consecutive tours to gain their trust.
What you find out very quickly or die, is that the minority 1.8% of Islamic Believers living at the US do NOT determine what Islam is or is not for the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide.
Also the Majority of Islamic Believers are now Fundamentalist Islam as Shiites (Shia, Sharia) NOT the "Moderate", "Modern", "Pro Western" Sunnis ("Liberal" interpretation of the Holy Koran (Quran)). Don't even start up with the smaller factions of Islam making a difference a lot of them became marginalized by being killed off by the larger Fundamentalists.
With the Majority Fundamentalist Islamic Believers strict interpretation of the Holy Koran (Quran), especially 109 Suras of the 114 Suras as the Calls to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. The Death Penalty for Islamic Believers that do not participate in the War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. "Die a Horrible Murdering" for any Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers. At most of the Fundamentalist Islamic Nations, these are also part of their Laws, example the majority of Islamic Believer MUST pay their Mandatory Islamic Tithes (Taxes) with these Mandatory Islamic Tithes being used to support the War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers and NOT for the Poor Of Islam (original intent) NOR the building of more Mosques, Islamic Cultural Centers, etc. as to why the NYC Imam had to go to Bahrain begging for money to build the NYC Islamic Cultural Center. This is why various International Law Enforcement Agencies, Intelligence Agencies, Departments of State, Financial Institutions are attempting to intercept these Trillions of USDs of Mandatory Islamic Tithes each year that are funding the Islamic Jihadists Worldwide. It is Illegal for Islamic Believers to speak out against Islam. You see something you don't like that means your eyes are gouged out. You hear something you don't like your ears are cut off. You say something bad about Islam your tongue is cut off, if you continue then you are killed. You stick your nose were it does not belong, it is cut off. You like "modern", "western", they cook up a pot of boiling cooking oil for your face.
Are you getting the whole picture yet. Majority not the minority are what you call the "extremists".
Their actions simply prove that Mohammed and the Quran are the spawn of Satan and the father of all the liars, murderers, rapists and paedophiles who comprise Islam.
Civilization will not be safe from their 7th century barbarity until there is death to Islam, death to the Quran and death to all the Islamic murderers, rapists and paedophiles.
don't forget to include the fundamentalist christians too, they're all insane and determined to spread their insanity
Agreed, Dan. The various fundamentalist christian movements throughout history have murdered more people in 'the name of God', than all the other world's religions put together.
The Roman Catholic Church alone, over just the 300 - some years of several Inquisition's, killed over 5 million women, men and children. If you add to that all the other examples of Christians killing non-believers, even by the most conservative estimates, that figure more than doubles. This makes Christianity the bloodiest religion in history.
By those numbers alone, I think one could reasonably argue a case that it is these 'Christians' that are this ..., "spawn of Satan".
Ironic, isn't it..., that by claiming to oppose Satan, they end up doing his work better than anyone else.
And in the 5th to 15th century, the extremist was called; Holy Roman Empire. Today we would call it Christianity.
My point; extremisim is found in all man made religions. So let's not target all of Islam.
It is going to take committment from other nations to be proactive regarding these "no government" nations. My prayers are for the innocents of this nation. May God protect these people, and bring the needed help to overcome this evil.
yes, and the more we leave them to their third word problems the more the islamist groups can use that to show how the west with all of they money, care nothing about them. diplomacy has its privileges.
I don't give a rats behind about them, they think we are unclean and like dogs. I say leave them alone to their 7th century beliefs. I am happier without them. We should worry about how to not depend on oil and then we can say so long to opec.
You make a lot of sense. Surely the palinLovr is a put on.
I think we should send the muslims over there to kill their bretherin nd if they dont't they will kill them especially if we send over all the muslim women theyu love muslim life
does anyone besides me remeber "black hawk down"? these people dont deserve a single dollar of my tax money.
Some places are just beyond hope or repair, and Somalia is clearly one of them. Decades of intervention have only seen it go from bad to worse. The best thing the international community could do would be to just seal off the borders and leave them be.
the problem is the presence of Muslims. move to south Africa where Christianity flourishes and the problems disappear.
Seal of the borders and send in n epidemic
WHAT intervention? If we let Haliburton and Black Water run the place and live off their own profit, I bet the Final Solution will put this problem to an end.
Get the governments out and let the contractors do what they have to do.
Odd, Conservatives want to help the Syrians, but not the Somali's. What...no intervention?
We got our butts handed to us once already in Mogadishu...hence no conservative cry for intervention.
We didn't get anything handed to us in Mogadishu. A mistake was made which led to a rescue operation, which led to a full-on engagement with thousands of militia. Our special forces mopped the floor with them during the recovery efforts. It should have never happened in the first place, and was a media @!$%#-storm, but the fact that it was one of the most one-sided engagements ever is undisputed.
no intervention because there is not enough $$$ (oil or natural resources there) for our so called Gov't to want to be involved... It is a sad, sad world we live in...sad and greedy
Wrong . I'm conservative and I don't want to help any islamic country . I used to think they were worth helping but that ship has sailed .
Goeffrey/Fitz...I agree with Patriot...President Clinton tried to do the right thing. What happened? Allow me to refresh your memory: Those savages dragged our Black Hawk crews through city streets.
The only solution to that sh*thole is for the Earth to open up and swallow it whole.
I agree completely, the people turned against those who were trying to help, we cannot help these people as long as they adhere to their islam religion which is the most opressive religion I have ever heard of. While I agree Christianity has had its up and downs they at least have the ability to refuse to follow the religion without being killed for it. This is the most horrible religion, one who would kill a person because they did not want to be a muslim. Let them all go the way of their religion and die in the process, we must not interfere again. You cannot call on the Christian nation of America to come and die trying to help you get out of your oppression and then turn against them afterward because you hate us to start with, we are fools to do this.
conservitives don't have a plan for anything
Christianity has it's homegrown terrorists lest we forget the doctors who got killed by some ignorant christian beause he did something he didn't like
R-sticker....PLEASE...enough of the Christian Terrorist...Damn...what is it, a couple of dozen? There are MILLIONS controlled by Islamic fanatics.
When people like you make a comment about "look at Christians", it feels like those people are the same type that have chest high garbage in their houses with rotten food and overflowing toilets, but complain if someone farts in public.
Really...WTF???
The act of a few who happened to be Christian doesn't mean the all of Christianity are murders. The acts of a group hundreds or thousands of years ago have no relevance to the discussion now. Before you spout off with your hate of Christians, for whatever non obvious reason, you should consider where you would like to live. If you live in the United States you are most likely living among Christians. If you feel that Christians are as bad as the Muslims in Somalia or Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or the list goes on, then you wouldn't have any concern with moving to those countries. Where are you going to live R-sticker? Put yourself and your family where you mouth is! Don't think for a minute that because you're an atheist that your'e going to get a free ride. You're probably worse than a Christian in the eyes of the Muslims.
This is a response to the "Christianity is as bad as Islam" argument. I believe that argument is uninformed at best.
Agreed, there are Christian terrorists, and obviously there are Muslim terrorists. But that fact does not a comparison make, There is no correlation, unless you wish to correlate the past with the present. The Crusades are old news. Good or bad, they are 1,000 years in the past, and if I am correct, no longer Christian doctrine. Jihad is now, and still Islamic doctrine to the core. A few Christians argue that they must defend some principle of their religion by killing "offenders," for example an abortion doctor. A whole bunch of Muslims--because it is their doctrine--make the same argument, for a much broader spectrum of supposed "crimes."
Here's a personal anecdote. My wife and I are agnostic. We belong to no religion, attend no church. When our now-adult children were growing up, we advised them that religions exist, and told them that they were free to investigate, and at their discretion, join any religion if they chose. Our daughter went to a Christian church with a friend. After the service, that friend asked our daughter if she was going to join that church. Our daughter demurred, declined to make an immediate commitment. Her friend, with a smile on her face, said, "If you don't join our church, you're going to Hell."
I thought that remark was a bit over the top, but it was perhaps better than what a Muslim response might have been.
I am always amazed at the amount of hate some people express when discussing religion.
If we who are outraged are Christians...let us take a look in the mirror
"What WOULD Jesus do?"
Clinton expanded the mission but didnt provide the extra troops the commanders requested.
Allen Hoof - my only point is that any people of any religion can use their faith justify dastardly deeds. Yes, the Crusades were a long time ago. KKK was not so long ago. Hutaree was very recent and may still be active for all I know. Army of God is current. That's just a few. People who say that Christianity is a religion of love and peace apparently have a memory lapse, because this religion is and has been used for hate, just like every other one. And it is still being used as such today.
One may argue that Islam seems much more active today in hate-based activities than Christian-based groups. I won't deny that. More active, not the only active groups. Cultures change over the years, it is true. In the past, Christianity was much more active as a religion of hate. In the past, Islam was more known as a religion of tolerance.
Nothing says it won't change again, and it almost certainly will. Why? Because these conflicts are not really based on religion. Religion is used by the leaders of conflict, but the conflict itself is political. People who say that this is a religion-based conflict are playing right into the hands of those who are actually behind it.
Ah more peace and love from our muslim brothers
Islam of peace?
On September 25, 2002, a group of armed Muslims in
Karachi, Pakistan entered the office of a Christian charity, tied seven workers
to chairs and then brutally murdered them. According to Muslim witnesses, the
Islamists "showed no haste. They took a good 15 minutes in segregating the
Christians and making sure that each one of their targets received the most
horrific death."
The killing of non-Muslim humanitarian workers by
devout followers of Islam occurs quite often. The executions are not usually
celebrated by Muslims, but there is rarely if any outrage expressed over
slaughter in the name of Islam by a community renowned for its
peevishness.
God help us all.
They're just following their instructional book the koran .As usual .
But they have stuff we want! It's ok to exploit them for cheap stuff and slave labor, right?
Just more Muslims doing what Muslims do, which is kill, rob and rape.
There is plenty of history of Christians doing that, also.
But christians do it with a smile and leave a bible with the victims.
Really when was the last time Christians laid waste and killed everyone in site. Grow up and think about the future. Islam belongs in the trash along with their so called holy book. I say burn them all. There will never be peace as long as they live, face it. Time to break out the nukes before they do. They would not have a second thought about torching the earth so they can live with the virgins in their heaven.
The difference is that Christians who commit such atrocities are FLOUTING Biblical principles, whereas Muslims who do so are FULFILLING Islam's teachings.
Christians are in the same boat
Now let's be fair here. All religions do that. You can't tell me people over the years haven't done these very things in the name of our Christian God. It's just Muslims don't appear to speak out about these atrocities, so it looks as if it is being condoned. That's what saddens me.
I think everyone in the US should read up on the fall of Rome and the causes.
Why bother? We ARE Rome. We ARE falling.
World leaders talk...and talk...and talk...while people are being tortured, maimed and murdered in the name of Allah the all Phony. Those who advocate leaving them to their fate are missing two points. These poor devils are human beings and need help and protection. As we are told, these terrorists are warming up for the big show coming soon in a crowded station, airport, highrise office, or a school near you.
Let them come, the people of this country will not sit on our rear ends and allow this to happen. WE are armed to the hilt to fight against our enemies no matter if foriegn or domestic and that includes the communist within.Obama and his cohorts are trying to disarm the people but this will never happen, not without a fight. As the saying goes you may take my weapon but it will be from my dead fingers. The first thing that happens when a government tries to enslave its citizens is to take away their arms and with it their will to fight. This will not happen in America unless we allow the polititcions take it away, beware all the fine print in anything that comes out of our government. Thank God there are those who will read every line and shout it out when this happens.
Oh, give it a rest, Jerry! Obama is not trying to disarm you or any other person who abides by the rule of law as it relates to responsible gun ownership. I remember GingtheGrinch spouting that same BS before Obama was elected. Well, we're closing in on the end of his term and you still have your gun(s). Seriously, you people get on my last raw nerve. Get a new "talking point", won't 'cha?
asknreceive1
It becomes a new talking point when your president changes the laws. NDAA 2012, etc., not to mention how it tears at the Constitution. I'm just sayin..............................
We can fix it but I thought genocide was a Crime Against Humanity.
This reminds me of the genocide and atrocities of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. The world sat back and watched that too until the Vietnamese moved in to stop it.
The world should not sit back and watch these things happen, but the operative word is the "world." That does not mean the US alone, or the US with a few troops from other nations that we bribe to give us cover.
Most of the world doesn't care. We go alone or not at all.
Haroldwolf - unfortunately, you appear to be right. What other explanation is there for China and Russia vetoing a resolution to condemn the genocide in Syria?
Posturing? Control? Solidarity against the U.S. when and where they can get away with it? Flexing their collective muscle(s)? Laying claim to their proverbial piece of the Middle East pie? I don't know. . .what's an "explanation" worth these days? The situation in Somalia and all over the Horn of Africa has gone way beyond tragic, it's unconscionable.
why ? does anyone even care !!!!???? let the animals be animals !!!
Unfortunately I'm sure there are plenty of children in Somalia who are forced to suffer because of this mess over there. They are the ones I feel sorry for. A child should not have to endure these kinds of atrocities.
Those people are born FRUITCAKES and always be FRUITCAKES!
Think they cut an arm or leg from one of those pirates who ask for millions in ransoms....no way!
Why Islam is allowed in our country is beyond me. It should be outlawed in all the western countries. Sooner or later our Dear Leaders will wake up. It is way past the time to see that Islam has no place in the free world. Can anybody imagine Islam trying to get a foothold in North Korea?
Yeah - don't worry about that pesky thing called a Constitution.
Actually, I find it very frightening you are promoting North Korea as a country to emulate. I suppose Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, and Pol Pot were also your heroes?
The progression of History is one culture learning from another. The men you name above learned a lot of, how to conquer a nation of people and genocide by reading World History, with a big side order of American History. It's not an opinion, it's written History, read it.. some mention a Peaceful religion, when did that happen, and what name does it go by ? When humans have no compassion for another regardless of the luck of the draw of where they are born, it's sad.
The United States needs to back off from excessive meddling. There's a time and a place for it, and for varying levels of support.
We are supporting the African Union, and undoubtedly special operations troops are in Somalia hunting Al Qaeda. I don't think any Americans remain opposed to the counter-terror mission. The problem is that any military forces in Somalia may get sucked into clan warfare, even if taking out Al Shabab requires picking one clan over another.
For example, we encouraged the Shia and the Kurds to rebel against Saddam. They did so, and we didn't support them, even though the Iraqi Army and RG would have folded like a house of cards. Instead, Saddam lived for another ten years, and we had to invade Iraq in 2003, spend a trillion bucks and send back five thousand soldiers to Dover AFB and tens of thousands into the VA.
In that sense, we should've invested in 1991 to avoid paying in 2003. Or if you believe that Iraq had something to do with the WTC attack, then I would tell you that if we had taken out Saddam in 1991, there would have been no 2001. WMMV.
Let's look at Rwanda and early Yugoslavia. Plenty of dead people because we refused to back our peacekeeping operations overseas to the hilt. Then there's Somalia, which was actually involved a fair amount of army and marines; and the initial phase of restore hope was very successful until the United States pulled out and handed things to the UN. Things went south, Task Force Ranger went in, and the rest is history.
Anyways. It's easy to say this isn't our fight. However, it's naive to think we won't feel the consequences of leaving them out to dry. For actions, we shoudl continue to support the AU, and maybe open a second front coming in from Kenya. We must crush them and trust that Somali expats can come home and attempt to restore working government.
And in Syria, we should supply the rebels. And if we cannot, then we can settle for a blockade of Syria. If China and Russia cannot resupply the Syrian war machine, it must grind to a halt. However, it would be nice to settle the Syrian matter a little faster. Civilians are dying, after all.
To me, Somalis are worthless. They are infesting the upper Midwest and bringing their problems and backwards way of life with them. They recruit "fighters" here in the US and send them back to Somalia and the women pose as charity workers collecting money for a charity and they are really collecting for family back in Somalia. Most of them live off state assistance and send that money back to Somalia. So in a sense, we are helping them.
It is not the Somalis that are worthless, it is the extremist Islamic criminals.
Whats worse is some people will give up life in USA or other good stable Western nations to join a militia halfway around the world. How do you apply for a job like that. Do you send them your Resume.
I think thats all you need to qualify to be a terrorist.
These idiots are not doing this for religious reasons, it's because they are pieces of human excrement that gets off on inflicting terror and pain in other people. They need tons of guns to defend themselves against these killers.
No they're just following the koran as usual , nothing new here folks .
Then all we need to do is take out the Koran... Wait didn't we just try that :)
Someone needs to tell Iran that a bunch of Jews were sighted in Somalia. They can put their new nuke to some good use.....
Do any of you even know that in the 1980s the US government installed and backed the Somalian dictator that drove the country into famine and ruin and anarchy by 1991 - moves in the perpetual international chess game and the US's duel with the former Soviet Union which sponsored the dictator of Somalia's rival Ethiopia? So what have we wrought?
"NAIROBI, Kenya – Staring directly at me with glazed eyes were two young men whose anguish says so much about the pure evil of al-Shabab, the Somali Islamic militant group" and any other radical islamic group , which is most of them .
Let's let those poor refugees settle here in the US. We have plenty of money to pay for food and lodging for the rest of their lives plus all the children they will have on welfare! Is this a great country or what?
I don't care about these people, yes it is sad but that is the way they live and have for years. They can only help themselves, I can not help them. l
Your lack of humanity speaks volumes about your character !
Precisely what a lot of people said as Hitler was taking over Europe. "Oh those poor people. But I can't help them, so I really don't care." That kind of apathy is what gets us into a world of hurt.
We tried once and they dragged our dead thru their f*cking streets! Napalm is the only answer for these animals. At least, then, after a generous dosage, they will have plenty to eat while they read from their religous book of peace.
The important part of what Mark is saying is that the "1st and 2nd world" has been trying to help the 3rd world for a hundred and 50 years. They absolutely will not help themselves. It is not important that Mark "doesn't care". It is important that the Somalis don't care. There is no helping them until they decide they are through with poverty and ignorance and begin to pick themselves up.
People imagine themselves to have powers they do not. Humans are not powerful enough to alter the climate or turn poverty into prosperity. Pouring money into Somalia, or any other hell hole will not alter the lives of their people. The oil-rich middle eastern countries have the ability to have riches beyond imagining if they would simply throw off their oppressors (themselves) and pick it up a little. Somalia is no different.
The same commercials on the TV with little tortured faces with flies crawling on them have been running for 50 years straight. Billions have been poured into central Africa. There are more poor, more diseased, more ignorant, more warfare and more suffering victims than ever.
Let's try something else. Sending birth control would be a good start.