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Flowers were left at the Stephen Lawrence memorial in the Eltham area of south London on Wednesday.
By Jason Jouavel, NBC News
LONDON -- A plaque near a bus stop in south London marks where murdered black teenager Stephen Lawrence took his last few breaths and serves as a grim reminder of one of Britain's most notorious racist crimes.
The memorial at the site of Lawrence's killing -- which has been described as the U.K's "Rosa Parks moment" -- has been vandalized several times. That strikes me as a sign that deep hatred still exists.
I'm a black south Londoner. And almost two decades after the slaying, I still feel very anxious walking through certain streets in Eltham after dark.
Lawrence, 18, was stabbed to death by a gang of white youths in an unprovoked attack as he waited at the bus stop in Eltham in 1993. The investigation was bungled and despite multiple court appearances by suspects over the years no one was convicted until Tuesday.
Two men have been convicted of the 1993 killing of a black teenager that prompted a change in the law and reforms to Britain's police. ITV News' Simon Israel reports.
At least three people involved in Lawrence's slaying remain at large and to this day a notable lack of local people have come forward with information about what happened.
Duwayne Brooks, who was with Lawrence at the time of the attack, told investigators that they had been racially abused before the stabbing. However, police initially treated Brooks like a suspect -- as opposed to a key witness.
The crime also resulted in a 1999 public inquiry that branded London's Metropolitan Police force as "institutionally racist."
Paul Hackett / Reuters, file
David Norris (rear with blue shirt) runs for cover as he and some of the others suspected of involvement in the killing of Stephen Lawrence are pelted with eggs after leaving a 1999 public Inquiry into police handling of the case in London.
Stephen's parents, Doreen and Neville Lawrence, have waged a nearly 19-year battle for justice, which finally paid dividends with this week's murder convictions of Gary Dobson and David Norris.
I've seen the slain teenager's courageous mother several times on the streets of south London as she continues her fight to clean-up the police, strengthen laws and support victims of racially motivated crimes. My immediate impulse is always to just salute her.
'Deep darkness'
Although there was celebration in some quarters over the conviction and sentencing of Dobson and Norris, I have to agree with the Reverend Jesse Jackson. He summed up this week's events as "little light with deep darkness."
It's important to remember that the people who killed Lawrence have been harbored by their community for years and some are still being protected.
Some progress has undoubtedly been made since Lawrence's slaying.
Reuters
Stephen Lawrence was aged 18 when he was stabbed to death near a bus stop in Eltham, south London, in 1993.
However, recruitment drives aimed at attracting more black and Asian officers have failed to make the Metropolitan Police representative of London's ethnic diversity.
A disproportionate number of black people are still stopped and searched by the police. It's something I've been through several times. On one occasion, I was driving to work when I was stopped. The police officer said that I looked "suspicious."
Many young black men in London complain about being prejudged and stereotyped.
I was astonished when a well-educated acquaintance told me she thought that black people should be stopped because they commit most crimes as we casually discussed last summer's London riots. I wonder whether this is also the view of some police officers.
The police must be commended for pursuing Lawrence's killers for close to two decades. But let's not forget that if the investigating officers had been more rigorous when the crime was committed, the Lawrence family may have had justice much sooner.
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LOL...if one murder in eighteen years is causing people to still be frightened.....please never come to NYC where minorities shoot people every day.........
You'd think any comparison between NYC and Jouavel's anxiety would begin with NYPD's concerning recent news regarding racism.
Really good piece by Jouavel - I think it's the first black South Londoner's perspective I've read since the post-Duggan riots.
That's stupid. NYC is the safest big city in the world. Italians and Irish people shoot a lot of people in NYC too. Get a clue. I go to London all the time I'm black. Black Americans actually get treated better in England than White Americans. I've walked the streets of South and East London at all hours of the night and have never had any static from anyone white or black. I don't even hear the kind of ignorance you just exhibited.
Well once an Irish guy did ask me in a London pub 'what's wrong with the @!$%#ing white people in America, it's like they're all @!$%#ing nuts. Glad they're you're problem.'
Even as a black American I was a little offended by that comment as an American, but honestly, I gotta say you just proved him right. congrats.
James, you are pathetic. A patronizing Englishman has shown that YOU are the real problem not whites.
James.....I understand the truth hurts.......I will pray that you will come out of you're self induced coma.......
Uh, can you read, he was Irish. A canadian woman in winnipeg essentially said the same thing too....so sorry man, even white people in other countries think white people in america are nuts.
Yes my self induced coma, of living in the factual world....yes that's right. For the reason that you can't post a video of a dog taking a crap on youtube without someone turning it into an obama reference. for the same reason you can't read this story and keep trucking but have to make a comment disparaging entire groups of people, for the same reason you comment has been 'collapsed by the community.' I don't think ALL white people in America are crazy, certainly not. BUT the white people like you give the good white people in America a bad name, that I'm just saying travels. And white americans get stereotyped abroad. I'm just bringing you the word from the horse's mouth.
Sorry Nycguy and Someonelse, you just fit the bill of the old Groucho Marx line, ' he may look like an idiot he may talk like an idiot, but don't like that fool you, he really is an idiot.'
Ok cue the world wide jewish conspiracy talk!
NYC - where white people shoot people every day as well.
James.....your sensitivity is hysterical......I haven't written anything remotely racist, but you keep believing any reference to race itself is racist......it suits you......
Heather......check the court house dockets and prisons here, you'll either change your mind or accept the overwhelming statistics...........
lol I'm not sensitive at all. I'd be quoting Lenny Bruce if I was angry, Groucho is my 'I find you comedically stupid' reference book. No I don't find any mention of race itself racist. Saying 'minorities shoot people everyday' is racist. Because white people shoot people every day. People shoot people everyday. When you section of a group of people who do what everybody does on no other basis than their race that is racist, bud. Talk about self induced coma.
And also the MAJORITY of crime dockets and incarcerated people in America are for NON violent drug offenses. Fact. The majority of people in the criminal justice system are not there for murder or violence but non violent sale distrubition of use of drugs. And meth is doing a great job of making our prison system more demographically representative of the nation.
Meanwhile I hate to go down to your level but seriously...lets check out the racial demographics on pedophiles and serial killers. Even the FBI has trouble catching minority pedophiles and serial killers because their profiles put the odds of such behavior being 'white middle class.' The DC snipers got away for so long, why? The FBI was looking for white guys.
Now I'm not going to say 'white people are molesting kids and serial killing everyday or that only white people molest kids and are serial killers.'
Statistics in the hands of fools are dangerous. Statistics are tools to draw inferences, they themselves are not facts. Often statistics incorporate many factors and they have to be interpreted. Crime and poverty go hand in hand. Crime is the oldest anti poverty program. Which is why when I lived in a trailer park out in the sticks of VA, with my friend who is white that I grew up with, I saw just as much violence and drug dealing as I ever seen visiting my grandmother in the slums of pittsburgh.
James.....too funny, you refuse to see the truth and facts.....you continue to delude yourself. Well, then continue to be afraid of white people because 18 years ago a black guy was shot.....that is exactly what you are saying and let the statistics be damned.....OK......
lol Afraid of white people?! That's hilarious. Many members of my family are white. I'm not afraid of anyone regardless of race....which unfortunately you cannot say. No I refuse to see an opinion of a guy who hasn't even stated any statistics or facts, as truth.
Delusion is defined as being dumbfounded that others don't accept your opinion as gospel....that would be you buddy.
I'm not even commenting on the article...I'm saying you're a liar, a racist and delusional. I'm commenting on you. You're the one who is refusing to accept statistics. Like you said statistics show that minorites are the majority of prison inmates and the court docket. BUT the facts are the majority of all inmates in prison and on the docket are non violent drug offenders...first...so that kills your argument about violence and minorities and second being as non violent drug offense is the number 1 2 and 3 way to end up in prison, you will see in this decade whites again become the majority of prison inmates and offenders due to meth, as they were before the drug war began.
See those are facts mon frere. What you are doing is speaking your mind, and wondering why nobody is just not believing what you say is fact.
NYCGUY, I recall what you had to say about my name yesterday and the fact that after growing up in Brooklyn n& moving to Seattle when I was 30, you had some negative @!$%# to say about Seattle as well. Now reading this I can see that you are some harmless, coward ass sucker that lives in Mommy & Daddy's basement getting off on posting racist posts because you have nothing else going for you. You ignorant so you have no friends, you can't get laid cause no decent female wants to mess with you, so you sit in your Basement bedroom and post nonsense all day because you have nothing else to do. I don't believe you even live in NYC. You are probably from Albany or Elmira somewhere because if you lived in the city, somebody would have kicked your racist a$$ by now...
NYCGUY, I recall what you had to say about my name yesterday and the fact that after growing up in Brooklyn n& moving to Seattle when I was 30, you had some negative @!$%# to say about Seattle as well. Now reading this I can see that you are some harmless, coward ass sucker that lives in Mommy & Daddy's basement getting off on posting racist posts because you have nothing else going for you. You ignorant so you have no friends, you can't get laid cause no decent female wants to mess with you, so you sit in your Basement bedroom and post nonsense all day because you have nothing else to do. I don't believe you even live in NYC. You are probably from Albany or Elmira somewhere because if you lived in the city, somebody would have kicked your racist a$$ by now...
NYCGUY, I recall what you had to say about my name yesterday and the fact that after growing up in Brooklyn n& moving to Seattle when I was 30, you had some negative @!$%# to say about Seattle as well. Now reading this I can see that you are some harmless, coward ass sucker that lives in Mommy & Daddy's basement getting off on posting racist posts because you have nothing else going for you. You ignorant so you have no friends, you can't get laid cause no decent female wants to mess with you, so you sit in your Basement bedroom and post nonsense all day because you have nothing else to do. I don't believe you even live in NYC. You are probably from Albany or Elmira somewhere because if you lived in the city, somebody would have kicked your racist a$$ by now...
nycguy -
If I'm reading James correctly, and since my reading level is above 8th grade I'm pretty sure I am, he's saying that he's not afraid of going around London where a black guy was shot 18 years ago (for the crime of being black). Because the people there are less discriminating based on race, and when they have a racial issue, they try to work it out.
Racism in the US is real, despite your ramblings. Police are much, much more likely to incarcerate a black or brown man for drug possession/distribution than a white man. They are much more likely to use non-lethal and lethal force against black or brown suspects than against white suspects. They are more likely to harass black or brown people than white people. Conviction rates for criminals are higher against black or brown people than against white people, when all other factors are accounted for (witness reliability, blinding police procedures in interrogations and identifications, scientific crime scene investigations, etc.). These are known facts.
Are you saying that, if you were part of a minority, that had been singled out by the people sworn to protect you simply because of the color of your skin or the way your name sounds, that you'd be okay with that? Because a bunch of idiots could point to an incarceration rate that clearly favors the majority of other-color-skinned people?
Janstince- the article states that 18 years later there is still fear in London over this......so what in the hell are you talking about?
Eddie....yeah, I said your name is stupid and you were nothing but a fleabagger from Seattle......now after I see you posted your psycho bull@!$%# three times....I can definitely say you are an ignorant moron two days in a row.....thanks for the opportunity to show everyone else what a turd you are.......
someoneelse-4466623, you really need to know that White Americans inherited their racist ways from the English. If you really know your history, then you would know that the English discriminated against the Black and Indian people they colonized. So White Americans took a page right out of their book on how to be a racist!
It's funny, really: a racist telling someone about what he is afraid of. Point of fact: Racists live in fear. Fear of anyone that looks different, talks differently, has a culture they don't understand. They are like wife beaters and pedophiles, because the are so afraid of their surroundings that they attack the most defenseless people in their environment. If a racist were to walk up to James, he would cower, unless he were backed up by 1/2 a dozen other cowardly racists.
Racists and bigots are a plague on this world. Defective humans that should be bred out of the line. Bigotry causes almost as much social injustice as greed. If we survive as a species, it will be because we found out a way to rid ourselves of both bigotry and greed.
Someoneelse-4466623,
I'd hate you to call an Irishman English on the Falls Road, Belfast (or vice versa on the Shankhill, Belfast). At best you'd end up without your kneecaps. For some reason (to do with a thousand years of mistreatment and oppression principally under Willliam I and Oliver Cromwell) Anglo-Irish relations can be a bit 'touchy' such distinctions. I guess all us white people from the British Isles kinda look the same!
NYCGuy,
There is still fear in London (in certain areas) - my cousins are non-white and don't live in fear in London; I'm white and still have a healthy fear of roaming groups of white knuckle-dragging racist skinheads - they may be racist but they'll just as happily stripe you just for being on their manor or looking at them in the wrong way.
Honeybee60,
You are only partially right - early British Imperialism was in [white] Ireland as early as 1171 although this was actually done under the name of the Norman French King William I - the indigenous British population had no say in the actions of their newly acquired 1,000 or so Norman Fedual Lords (the entire British population had been reduced to effective slavery); further expansion was colonialist but not Imperial and deeply regrettably slavery was a basis for a large part of British dealings in the West Indies and it is clear that this attitude to non-whites was exported to America. However, the British abolished slavery in 1807. The US could have abolished slavery at any point after 1776 when it became Independent and declared that 'all men are created equal'. Black (and other non-white) people have lived in mainland Britain freely with equal rights for several hundred years.
The situation in India and other colonies is different and more complex: for more than a century relations were non-Imperial and grounded on equivalency of social hierachies and based entirely on powerful local rulers (the Mughal Empire in India) trading with powerful private British companies; however, subsequent power vacuums, the intense rivalry (and continual warfare) with the French ceded increased power to the British companies. (Some parts of the world were either leased from local powers or bought outright from them.) Many Indians worked entirely freely in British companies and the British Army. The power relationship changed due to two major incidents - The Black Hole Of Calcutta (1756) and the Indian Rebellion (1857) when Indian troops in the British Army mutineed. It was during the latter part of the 19th Century that native Indians were truly discriminated against - some 70-80 years after the US had ceased to be a British colony. However, Britain had Indian MPs (lawmakers) sitting in Parliament and representing London Constituencies as early as the 1890s and Indian and Black troops continued to serve as equals (with distinction) in the British army of particular note during the First World War. I'm not saying there wasn't racism merely that the situation particularly with regards to Asia is far more complex and, due to the timeline, couldn't have influenced the thinking in an already independent nation.
It should also be noted that one of the biggest acts of enslavement by the British was during the 17th Century under Cromwell when (up to) an estimated million Irish were deported to the Carribean and North America as slave labour. Enslavement of the vanquished was common practice across Europe and Africa - a major source of slaves were Arab and African rulers selling their vanquished foes into European slavery - peaking during the Kongo Civil War.
Finally, it's very easy to blame just the British (presumably due to perceptions of a common English ancestry): the Spanish, French and Dutch were also major slave-traders but the most 'successful' slave traders were the Portuguese.
When the British abolished the slave trade in 1807 the King of (a part of) Nigeria declared:
"We think this trade must go on. That is the verdict of our oracle and the priests. They say that your country, however great, can never stop a trade ordained by God himself."
I am not defending aspects of Britain's past which are now accurately seen as reprehensible but trying to put them in context and counter a somewhat sweeping generalization that Britain is solely responsible for racist American attitudes.
The British can hardly be held responsible for attitudes and laws which were formed, persisted and strengthened over a century after America declared Independence and that all men were created equal.
JAMES the Irish guy that said white Americans are crazy said it because it took CRAZY white people (LIBERALS) to elect that failure OBAMA !
This doesn't say a minority shot anyone, this says some racists scum EUROPEANS kill someone because they were a different race you douche bag piece of crap racist scum!
"i saw it"
Just like in large US cities, 60-80% of violent crime is commited by africans. Everytime I go to London, the news reports are filled with violent crimes that africans were the center of. And, just like in the US, africans and most of the other violent minorities are protected, at the expense of peaceful, law abiding citizens. If you know anything about the city at all, you know not to go sightseeing or wandering in South London.
At what point in time will everyone say enough is enough. Do something about these people who are inbred, cultural and racial criminals ??? It has NOTHING to do with economics, millionaire africans in this country carry guns and kill people. These people and their culture are evil...
i saw it, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
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Steven C-1209801 banned, long history of racism.
3 deleted, Karen-346004 flaming Steven C-1209801 - Karen, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
lol don't listen to Steven. I highly doubt he's been to London. I go nearly every year, and am married to an English woman. actually most crime I see there is done by pakistanis or southwest asians, I'm not saying because they're pakistanis, but because they are essentially ghettoized and isolated economically and hated on openly in english society.
Not only is my company's office and flat on the south bank of the thames. When I first wen to London 18 and by myself I ended up stuck in South London after a bad attempt at navigating the night buses, and had NO problems at 6 am. I've been walking through the East End, Peckham and Shoreditch at all hours of the night and day, no problems.
So it's clear Steven gets his information about London from the White Supremacists Guide to Travel.
No, Steven, YOU are evil and sick, and I'm glad to see that MSN has decided to shut your mouth, since you apparently lack the discipline to do it yourself.
"Better to keep your mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt regarding your lack of intelligence."
A Black woman friend of mine was physically assaulted by a ex-pat South African Boer while in a London night club.
Tyler,
Who made you the message board police?. The internet and all it's many threads are the domain of all people and NO-ONE has the right to mediate or monitor, BIG BROTHER. Why even have a board if you won't let people express themselves truly?. Your site is just another police state.
Because freedom of speech must be valid. Freedom of speech is not a license to turn society into the bathroom stall wall, or a graffiti canvass. You have to be making valid comments. Not just making inflammatory comments for the sake of it. Free speech gives you the right to critique your government without fear of the secret police breaking in at night and taking you away. It doesn't give you the right o watch porn and say things that would get you sucker punched in a bar. And it doesn't apply to comment sections on blogs. Get a clue it's called context man.
The owners of the site made him message board police, as a moderator its his job to moderate (aka police) the boards and make sure it doesnt go too far with both the ad hominiums (personal attacks) and to try to keep the comments in a constructive manner. People get so worked up over stories that do not affect them that some times moderation is needed.
As far as the story goes I'm glad they cought the guys, it was an unprovoked attack that ended in murder, glad they cought them time to let them rot in jail for years.
The reason why, steven of "i saw it", blacks such as me are seen on tv doing crimes is that the country doesnt CARE when whites do stuff like that. they'd rather focus on us. And not ALL of us are like that, like me. I love everyone and would never even say mean words to people. Its ignorant people that do so. And theyre not all black. Theyre all the colors of the rainbow, brown, white, yellow, slanted, whoever! But I am not an evil person. I'm trying my best to be a humanitarian, but as long as i know, people will always hate me for my skin, and i will always give to the people who hate me because I'm doing what's morally right.
Diversity will never work until Jesus returns and sets us free from this Devils pit.
i saw it, you are BANNED for a day. LOL!
who IS this tyler guy and how does he think he can ban anybody. it does NOT work! LOL
Who's the minority NYCGUY. I'd say we're neck and neck right now and lines are blurring, just like with the previous italian, russian, german immigrants, etc in past. We're Americans just like you, whether you like it or not. And your sons may end up marrying our daughters and vice versa. God forbid. BTW, what time is dinner at your place? Sorry to have segued from the topic.
well said
I may get skewered for this response but the article mentioning that the neighborhood has harbored the individuals responsible is laughable...let's talk about inner city hoods where the common sentiment is not to snitch! Unfortunately this time honored tradition seems to work in all races!
True, but the point is neither is right so not sure why you brought it up
"Steven C".
If you are in the mood for comparing. Demographically, look up "who" holds the title for sexual predators, serial killers or even the highest number of cases of treason against this country. You're approaching this in the wrong way, definitely. No one is pure, no one is perfect. It is our species.
THANK YOU!!! Since idiots like him/her want to take it there.
WHO recently cut up the body of a 9 year old and stored her head, hands, and feet in the freezer?!
WHO this time last year attempted to plant a bomb that would spew poison laced shrapnel at a Dr. King parade where children would be?!
WHO stabbed a man in his back because he THOUGHT he was Muslim because of the Turban on his head?!
WHO was the Green River Killer who killed 50+ women?!
WHO was Jeffery Dahmer and what was his eating habits?!?!?!
I could go on and on with this but I don't have the time. Idiots like Steven to realize his race isn't so high and mighty either. HUMANS ARE EVIL. PERIOD!!!!
Crime is perperatrated by all races but we should be looking at class it is class that matters not race!
Actually rugger930 whites old the "title" because we are the majority. But if we are speaking per capita, Native Americans hold this dubious title.
I saw it.....please return to school and try to get yourself an 8th grade diploma.............................................. rugger....please return to school and get your High School diploma, even though you are ahead of "I saw it", it's not by much.......I'll look forward to your generous affirmative action policies if as a minority you ever exceed 50% of the population.......right now blacks are only 12%-15%.
They are also responsible for greater than 12-15% of violent crimes, of course we will blame society.
I had to live in a trailer park for a little while with a friend of mine who is white who I grew up with and in those six months I saw just as much murder, prostitution, thuggery, violence and drug dealing as I ever saw visiting my grandmother in the slums of pittsburgh. Which is probably why white crime is underreported because so much of the white underclass is hidden away out in the woods as opposed to urban areas. Minority crime gets over represented because people care more about crime in the city than whatever a bunch of trailer park boys get up to out in the sticks.
after all these years of looking at a roadside memorial you can't blame the locals for getting tired of looking at it and tearing it up. here in the states we have these unsightly things everywhere. at what point in time do we as a society have' permission' from the local yokals to remove all the rotted teddy bears, burned out candles, dollar store ballons with depleted helium laying on the ground, rotting flowers with broken vases and rotting cardboard signs from being rained on from the sides of our streets? when i lived in tacoma, wa there was a shooting in front of my house and overnight a truckload of crap was placed as a memorial to this low life thug that was killed. I had enough and after 2 weeks slowly stared getting rid of the junk and finally it disappeared. Some people tryed to revive it but eventually in a months time(and my persistance) someone else got shot and took the crowds short attention span elsewhere.Amen that I do not live there anymore and have moved on to a much better neighborhood.
So sorry someone's grief inconvenienced you.
After a long enough time it becomes litter.
I have the feeling it would have still bothered you even if it was a nice, respectable, weatherproof, semi-permanent memorial...
With a name like sambo, no one your comment is backward.
getting racist there heather- watch out!
"Little Black Sambo" was written about a little Indian (that's the subcontinent Indian....) boy who was getting chased by a Tiger. Remember that the tiger turned into pancakes and syrup at the end?
Have something against Indian Indians, perchance?
Just checking.......
Ritdog... I remember that story and loved it! Every time my mom made pancakes after that, I thought about that tiger. Lol
Minor point, the memorial to Stephen Lawrence is merely a simple unobtrusive black marble slab (about the size of a small paving stone) embedded in the pavement (sidewalk) with 'In Memory of Stephen Lawrence 13.9.1974 - 22.4.1993' carved into it. The flowers have only been laid there since the verdict.
British local councils quietly and discretely remove roadside flowers/ ribbons/ teddy-bears after a respectful period of about 7-10 days (often in the early hours of the morning) and there are rarely complaints as by this time there is often a grave that has become the focus of tributes.
If he thinks he's scared walking on some streets he ought to try being white and walking around the South Bronx.
Black people kill white people everyday (and vice versa). And there's a lot of all-black neighborhoods I wouldn't feel safe walking through in broad daylight. Is anyone going to do anything about making me feel safer in those neighborhoods? I didn't think so...
I live in Texas and there's a lot of all- caucasian neighborhoods that I wouldn't feel safe in , even in broad daylight.And for those of you out there that think there's not a lot of caucasian people killing other caucasians, maybe you should turn your t.v to the Nancy Grace show.It is terrifying how caucasian men are killing women and children.Now that is what's really scary.
bObabOey-Your comment was just plain dumb
girl62009- How is his comment dumb? Their are a lot of unsafe all black neighborhoods that no ones bothering to fix. Sorry if the truth offends you.
I feel safe everywhere I go.....Conceal & Carry!!!
Let's keep stirring the 'racist' pot...great way to divide and conquer.
God I hate people. Black, white, purple, green...bunch of savage monkeys all of them.
why do you hate yourself?
"The leech's kiss, the squid's embrace, the prurient ape's defiling touch... and do you like the human race? No, not much." Aldous Huxley.
I agree, Sarcasmo. Getting harder and harder to detect much redeeming virtue in our species...
@Sasnakian and @Sarcasmo - don't despair. On the other side of breakdown and chaos is breakthrough and peace... It's natural law. Some of us will evolve :)
This murder made me feel very concerned about which neighborhoods I traveled in while I was in London.
If you think London is dangerous, you'd better not venture outside of your house in the USA. This kind of incident is still rare in the UK. This case made major headlines for many years.
Still drudging up 18 year old garbage to keep racists of all "color" racists.
Just reading the posts I see on this story confirms what I said earlier about that Soldier who committed suicide in Afghanistan for being verbally abused by his fellow soldiers for being Chinese. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Racism will never be legislated away. Electing a bi-racial president has only served to stir the pot of racial tension. I don't care if you immigrated here 5yrs ago, or your ancestors came over on Slave ships. We need to stop Identifying people as African-American, Hispanic-American, whatever. WE ARE AMERICANS. And we need to start treating each other as such.
THE PRESIDENT IS BLACK!!!!!!!
where are people coming up with this "bi-racial" word...is this your new word!
let's be serious here, ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE BI-RACIAL. is there a little box to check for that when you need to fill out the census?
with a white mother, he is equally white. I supposed if he had more her features you would feel more comfortable. saying all blacks are bi-racial is the most non-sensical thing.
It's funny how some people are so set against others having their own identity - so desperate to cling to their precious one-drop rule. The fact that some people choose not to recognise the term biracial doesn't mean it's not valid. Obama only speaks for Obama, not every biracial person on the planet - least of all me. If someone who is biracial doesn't want to identify as black, that's their business and they shouldn't be subjected to racial browbeating in the form of arguments centered around: Obama, 'black is the way the world sees you, regardless', 'historically..', 'don't fall foul of divide and conquer, 'What's wrong with being black anyway?' etc. Those who preach the one-drop gospel seem to be suffering from the Henry Ford syndrome, one of the symptoms of which is rabidly repeating the Ford one-drop mantra: 'You can be anything you want, as long as it's black'. *Cue discussion on whether or not the word black should be capitalised* No surprise then that getting as many people as possible to identify as black is also politically expedient. Coming from the UK, I readily identify myself using our equivalent term mixed-race (yes I know there are races other than just black and white in the world) and I am thankful for it. Not because I'm a 'self hater', or because I secretly yearn to be white, but because it's a term that gives equal weight to both sides of my heritage.
How would you feel if that person was your love-one that was taken away from you in a racist violent way. And the only thing you want is justice no matter how long that it takes to bring closure so that part of you can move on. For those who have no feelings for a human life it wouldn't matter, but for those who cherrish life as God precious gift stake claims, not to let that person death go unchallenged until justice is prevailed and all that is giulty is punished. Murder don't have a statue of limitation.
now if a "white" was stabbed by a gang of "blacks" that would have been buried by the press...but why are the blacks making such a big deal out of this?? i'm sorry it happened but lets move on people...try thinking about all the whites and blacks lost fighting the usa's last 'POLICE ACTION"
Really Mary? If the press is always "burying" stories in which blacks kill whites, why do so many leaving comments seem to have read many stories about this? Either that, or they are making it up. So you tell me Mary, is the press reporting these crimes or are you just making it up? All of this "fear of brown people" is so overblown and cowardly. Mary, take you and your scared friends and go live in a gated community. This way it can remain lily white, just the way you like it. Then what will your beef be with minorities?
The truth is people of color almost exclusively kill each other, so get over yourself.
That's absolutely not true and if you don't know it, then you're a deluded fool.
Check the statistics. It is a fact!
Mary52
You must not read the newspaper or watch Fox New because if a black person killed a white person it would be all over the news for years. Just ask OJ and Willie Horton, if a white women makes a false accusation that a black men committed a crime against her it will be all over the news. Just ask Susan Smith.
That is so wrong to say that it wouldve been different if it was a "White" being attacked by a "black", that nobody would care. I'm a black teen female, and to tell the truth, we're scared of "Whites" because theyre always so negative towards us. I was raped and kidnapped, but nobody found me or cared, the police didn't cooperate with my family and i had to escape myself. But they spent years looking for Casey Anthony and they KNEW she was dead. In no logical way they could think she was alive. If I was "White", that doesn't make a difference in who I am. And btw, when was the last time you saw a "Black" Kill someone cause they were "white"? I hate colors.
It may not be important to you but this was someone's child. What if you lost a child and someone came up to you and said those same exact words,"I'm sorry it happened,but let's move on people."I'm sure it would be just what you wanted to hear....NOT.
"check the statistics, it's a fact!" that's a joke or are you talking about the statistics that europeans kill/rob more than any other people...now that would be a fact! On more welfare/government aid and EVERYTHING ELSE than ANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD!
In Kansas City we had a rapist called the "Waldo Rapist" who was black and raped older white women in the neighborhood of Waldo. If the man were white and the women were black you know the race card would of been played. But because he was black and the news stations didn't want anyone to think they were rascist they left that largely unreported. On the flip side they used it to show how white people were rascist to blacks by saying whites in Waldo were being less friendly to grown black males. You can call her stupid but you know she's right.
I sold my Convertible and now feel much safer when driving through black areas of town in a hardtop. It isn't the older blacks or black women that make me feel uncomfortable but the young black men that make me wary.
Fruity tootie - your rationale does not make sense. If you are not scared of black women, who bear young black children, and raise black children, why would you be scared of their offspring? And if you are not scared of old black people, does that exclude old black men? Are they less terrifying because they are old? Do you think they were tamed over the years?
Honestly, it makes my head and heart hurt to see such blatant ignorance. That sad part is that right now some young black person with no bad intention could read these comments and realize that he/ she never had a chance. From the moment they were born with dark skin, the world would label them scary. Wouldn't it bother you is people think they know who you are when they have never even met you? Such insanity! You should be ashamed of yourself.
I gotta say that I haven't seen a lot of black moms running around in gang colors, doing drivebys, robbing, stealing, etc., but their KIDS now-
try South Central in LA - ask around for the "Bloods" and the "Crips" --MIGHT be a differant story there........
@Ritdog- She didnt say young blacks in gang colors. She said young blacks. BIG difference. If you see groups of young people in gang colors you should feel wary regardless of the color of their skin. The key there would be the groups of young people in gang colors, not the color of the peoples skin.
How about a White person walking on the south side in Chicago, Detroit, Los Angelos, Houston, Etc. I bet there is some anxiety there. Of course I wouldn't be walking I would be running my butt off. The Media keep's stirring the pot on Racism don't they. If they would keep their Mouth's shut it might just go away. Of course there is never any mention of Black Crime against White people. Could it be it's because there is None???
Well said Tarzan. Blacks attack and kill whites so much, and it is basically assumed that whites are afraid of blacks, but there is never mention of hate or racism when it happens this way, no plaques errected. The media Really does cause trouble!!
Please show me where you get the impression that blacks attack and kill whites "so much". Black on black crime is a big problem, white on black crime, not so much. Check the department of justice. The saddest part about this is I think most of the scared people commenting would LIKE blacks to attack whites so that they can justify their fear and racism. Well, the facts do not support your way of thinking.
Oh please (the last statements). And where have you been, under a rock? Either you're black and defending, or you're from squeedunk somewhere.
Heather: You better get your Head out of the ground. Black crime against White's over the last sixty years has been pretty bad. And it still goes on today. The trouble is the Media with it's Pro Black agenda pretty much keep's it low key in it's reporting. Must be Politically correct you know. Did you ever see the L.A riot's? Central park in new york? Smash and grab.
not to mention the group of blacks that went through "The Mall Of America" right before Christmas and were running by ripping shopping bags out of the white poeples arms and hands.Youtube "mall of Americas riots", youll see for yourself.Watch one of many vidoes posted and then reply with a "pollitacally
correct" justification why these people were victimized like this?It happens alot more than what the media tells.Btw, did you see the black power fist hes making in the picture?If he was a skinhead, people would be saying good riddance of this garbage.Both are wrong.
If you don't like England go back to your peace loving africa.
Having lived in south London for a period of time, I noticed the ethnic tension there. Being Asian myself I seemed to float between both the black and white community as virtually race neutral, but the racial tension was definitely palpable.
Sorry for your trouble, but maybe it's because England is being taken away from the English. It's a small island with its centuries old culture, and people seem to think it's America, one giant melting pot and they have to except it and like it. Not saying anything about this murder, just saying in general. I think the differences in culture and the way people look around the world is nice and interesting and it would be ashame if we lost that and became one big melting pot world culture where everyone looked the same, acted the same, every country looked the same.
Sorry for your trouble, but maybe it's because England is being taken away from the English.
Maybe, personally I'm of the opinion that when in Rome you do as the Romans do. When I lived in England I did as the English did.
I'm not sure if you're implying that people are expecting you to live like other cultures in London or if they're pushing it that direction.
Racism , exist still around the world , even between tribes in the remote Amazon....
I wouldn't want a pile of flowers outside my house for years on end even if it was a member of my own family.
When people say crime whether it be violent or otherwise; there has been many races to contribute to many crimes against many different races.... whites stole a WHOLE continent from native Indians, Blacks have killed their own people for the sake of saying that group was inferior. CRIME for the most part is EVIL against GOOD such as this case; GOOD will always win the day because it is just and fair whereas EVIL is not. When we as a world community realize that the characteristics of MAN is inherently GOOD and we except each individual based from our day to day experience with that said individual... we will be much better as a international society.
Let those pieces of excrement try that crap in the US, youll be bringing a knife to a gun fight. For the London police, NWA said it best, FTP..!!!
What does the "N" in NWA stand for?
Now that they have open season on 'Musloomoids', Blacks should be left alone. Blacks have been scapegoats for far too long, ever-since they were declared less then human by the Holy Bible, over two thousand years ago! Interestingly they still lug it around with them to the Church...
Brainwashed Pathetic Pew-sitters...they never read it.
Praise the lord!
[PS: Leave the Brits alone. Americans are the most racist people in the world. Par excellence. Travel a bit and find out for yourself and confirm]
What bible do you read???if you were a so-called holy person you wouldn't hate, i'm not that holy so i'm not to concerned about judgement, but you are a prime example of a HYPOCRIT. Looked it up in the dictionary with racism and found you!! why don't don't you come back to reality and the here and now, becuase currently you are living in the past before the 1960's civil rights movement, but i'm sure i'm wasting my breath. You were probably born in a trailer park and left in the trash by your mother roberta who conceivied you in a rusted out red pick up truck and didn't know if bubba or ricky was your dad....lol
I have read the bible and many folks have. What is pathetic is that the bible and it's people have been whitewashed. Several persons in the bible were black and african in origin. Does'nt make anyone better or worse, just uninformed. I will keep setting in my pew, reading my bible and praying for a better world. Peace and love to ya!
Yes, Moses married a black woman, Zipporah. She was from Ethiopia.
All racism is caused by belief in evolution because Darwin's theory is inherently racist. If everyone repented and believed in Christ and the world were rid of all false religions, there would be little if any racism. EVOLUTION IS FALSE. CREATION IS TRUE.
What a bunch of bull@!$%#e! Darwin's Theory of Evolution does not exclude the DNA studies that have been done that basically prove that the Original People on this planet were African and EVERY Other skin colour that came about is a mutation of the original!
That is a Scientific Fact: Far, far, far, far back in my own family tree --- my ancestors were black! No matter the fact that I am a white person, The Proverbial Eve was a black African woman and to her I give acknowledgement for being the Mother of Us All.
EVOLUTION is true. It is not racist. And according to the Gospels Jesus is described as the quintessential ultimate RACIST. The Noble Koran however disagrees and calls him a noble messenger of Allah who was given the miracle of healing.
YES. Evolution is true. However Pauline Christianity is not. It is a pagan inspired pseudo-religion. An anti-Jesus anti-James religion created by the satanic pseudo-apostle physical weakling sexual orientation conflicted fraudulent Paul, who slyly abrogated the teachings of Noble Jesus and replaced them by plagiarising bastardizing relatively peaceful ancient Pagan beliefs and turning them into the monster of Christianity .
The last of the 220 Jesus-Jew Christians were exterminated by the Christian Church, burnt alive on March16, 1244. All their literature including likely the now elusive Gospel of Jesus was destroyed. They also probably destroyed significant pages of the Gospel of Mary Magdalene where the concept of Original Sin and divinity is denied. Jesus was replaced with the Christian Church - The Synagogue of Satan, and Pope the Harlot of Antichrist.
Evolution is fact. Not false but a subset of creation. Creation is also true...evolution is simply the process, how creation was done by Allah. Read the Noble Koran and find out. In fact Muslim scholars have observed, researched and documented the process of evolution FOUR HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE DARWIN...!!!
As for Christ:The divinity of Jesus was established by a vote of 217 to 3 in Nicaea around A.D.325. The three dissenters were beaten up, their property confiscated, and they were exiled, fortunately not killed!
Darwin's theory is NOT racist, however it indeed has been slanted and used as such by evil people, including Atheists. However it does not begin to compare with the ultimate racist, discriminatory, sick, obscene, vile "Good-Book" that has ravaged and savaged humanity and the world for centuries without mercy and without respite. Even today some naive credulous people of lower intellect or limited education believe its ignoble doctrines and magical beliefs.
Open it, read it and confirm...
Read Darwin's theory also; with all its limitations it yet opened the way to new thought in science. And while the west had suppressed the 400years earlier Muslim work because it was written in a language alien to it...Nevertheless, English translation of these Muslim scientific works has finally become available to the west.
[PS: READ THEM STUDY THE TRUTH...it will set you free. As the Good Book says...it has its points no doubt about that - good literature, magic, science fiction, fantasy...but good reading]
The Colour of Crime
The chilling report by The New Century Foundation, called The Colour of Crime shows in unflinching statistical detail, that in the USA:
Meanwhile, over here in Our Country (UK) the pattern appears to be much the same
Black mob running amok in the Mall of America robbing White people! Black mob yelling "Kill all the Whites in Peoria, Illinois. Black flash mobs in Philadelphia attacking White people! Black mobs attacking White people in Wisconsin at the state fair! A mob of black females attacked a White pregnant teen took her I-Pod and then attacked her White boyfriend on a bus in Seattle, Washington!
The gang rape of an 11-year-old girl by at least 18 boys and young men has sparked shame and outrage in a tiny Texas town, but it has also stirred racial tensions that threaten to split the East Texas hamlet. All of the defendants arrested are African-American and the girl is Hispanic. The suspects range in age from 14 to 26, include stars on the high school's basketball team as well as the son of a school board member. The town is Cleveland, TX 45 miles north of Houston.
The Jena 6: In Jena, Louisiana six black students attacked a White student and were intially charged with attempted murder. They got off with lesser charges after Al Sharpton and other trouble makers held protests and called the charges racist!
If a group of Whites attacked a black they would be charged with every charge possible! It is okay for blacks to attack Whites because they "din't du nuthin" and YT be "razest n' sheet!" Double standards in the US and the UK! These are just a few examples of black behavior in the US! Blacks are on the attack in the USA and the UK!
The statistics and news reports tell the real story! Don't excuse their criminal behavior! They always have an excuse! Stop the pathetic White Guilt! I see they changed the picture! It doesn't show Lawrence giving his black power salute now! The White men are scapegoats tried in a kangaroo court! It is not justice! It is a mockery of justice! They changed the UK justice system because of a twenty year old event! What is next? Thought crimes?