Mubarak may apologize, return money

Only if he has to.

You won't ever hear about about Enron. They gave money to both parties - but most businesses do. When you follow the money, they give some to the party they don't like and more to the party they do like. Most believe that if you don't give some to both parties, you will not get government contracts, it is less likely they will get investigated, or might get help when they need it. For all the money Enron gave Republicans - they told them to pound salt when Enron was looking for help.

They certainly had enough arms to rape that journalist, and burn those churches.

Who's 'they' exactly who rapped the journalist? how many people can rape one journalist? No this is not a sick riddle. My point is that if an American rapes we don't say Americans rape.

And about the churches; There exist abhorrent and extremists individuals who choose to attack others because of their difference of religion! (sounds a bit like you now doesn't it?).

It's not holy war yet, take a breath and give your Endocrine system a break.

Dear meyssoccer: Where have you been? The "they" that raped the journalist were the rabble that were around her at the time the last photo of her was taken.

How many people can rape a journalist? Apparently many; as many as had the time to do the deed before they were beaten off of her. In some circles, it's called a "gang-rape." Gang rapes can happen and frequently does happen. In Muslim countries it often occur as punishment for some contrived grievance against a woman. Have you been living under a rock? Do you not read newspapers or interface with any public media sources?

I'm afraid your "If an American rapes...." comment is ludicrous. Where are you coming from with such a misguided and incorrect statement? Please cite your evidence that supports your claim.

Rape is wrong...period! If an individual rapes another, no matter the perpetrator's race, religion, or national origin....it's a rape and it's a crime punishable by a sentence up to and including death (by stoning in some venues) , in the criminal code of many countries.

Buster, You seem to be responding to my rhetorical question of "how many people can rape a journalist". No where in my post did i claim that rape is not an atrocity. My point was that if a westerner is raped (even by a HUNDRED people) in a country then the rapists do not represent a majority of a population in any case. As when a rapist or a murderer in the US murders, he does so because of who he is, not because he's an american. Now apply this straight logic onto these "exotic" places that you claim often have gang rapes of women as punishment. As, I will refuse to apply such ignorant connotations that there is such a thing as a monolithic Islamic world (as ignorant as it is to say that the western world is all the same, and if you think so just go to Poland and tell me how it's the same as the US) These statement were made about Egypt. how many courts handed out gang-rape punishments in egypt in the past 100 years? 200 years? what about in syria? how about Lebanon, Jordan, Tunesia, Turkey? go on, cite your evidence.

P.S. evidence means something verifiable ergo fox news is a nonstarter.

You're absolutely right, this fallen leaders use to sink their political oppositions alive in acid and sodomize them with and in front of their family members before killing them just so no one else think of opposing them or campaign against them, this is not just street talks, we've seen videos of this crimes smuggled by previous guards from the interior ministry, it's worse than what notorious mobs did to their victims. All current Arab leaders should be beaten to death in public with their families. Here in Tunisia we're uncovering things that this dictators did will make Hitler seems like a harmless little girl compare to them, it's just horrible.

How much do you think they paid Osama's body double? Not enough.

hey ben - while I do believe that Sadam Hussein had many b.d's, it's doubtful that the one who took the double tap in Abbottabad was anything but the real vermin himself. Too much money and intel went into the mission to have botched it. While there are doubtless guys who resemble the dead miscreant, I do believe that genomics were applied which revealed they'd found the authentic worm himself. When he was 'buried at sea in accordance with Muslim tradition', I cannot help but think of the Soprano's episode when Big Pussy Bompensiero met HIS watery end.............."Paulie, Sil, get the heavy chains...!!!!" May he spend all eternity in solitary confinement. No corporeal existence, but fully aware and entirely ALONE! That's how I like to imagine all murderers getting their final payback by the master(s) of the universe.

I was actually making a little fun of the Ken Lay body double theory. It is interesting though, but we could just check with the IRS and see if he's still paying taxes.

However, I think Osama died of kidney failure back in 2003. There was a lot of evidence that pointed to this, the least of which is where do you plug in your dialysis machine? Then the whole dumping the body in the drink, the instant DNA test, now no pictures, etc. etc. It's fishy, and it's not like our government doesn't lie to us all the time....

buche de noel we're not idiots, that is the real Mubarak, the truth is that these leaders are so arrogant and narcissistic that they think they are untouchable so they don't leave thinking this will go away and people will forget. Not this time, they're going down, all of them, one by one.

Now Mubarak is trying to avoid jail by playing seek just like our latest president (zine al abidine) who is being harboured by the Saudis, this arrogant dirty bastards who I really hope their people have enough dignity and self respect to revolt against them.

Hopefully, they will run out of places to hide. That will be interesting.

Tunisian Citizen - I did NOT mean to imply ANYONE was an idiot, just unwilling to 'connect the dots.' What I DO mean to say is that as bizarre as these (body double) ideas may seem to you - they are realistic if you realize and acknowledge that money and religious zealotry are motivators which wield astonishing power for many people. When someone offers you Millions of dollars to do something - as long as you NEVER discuss or admit it, and that you'll be compensated IN ADVANCE in such a way that the money trail would be very hard to follow - imagine the temptation? And the fact that Lay 'died' in Colorado could not be more obvious given the Lou Pai link. I'm convinced that Mubarek is elsewhere, not in Egypt right now. But I know that many laugh at the idea. Money can buy a LOT of escape routes and cosmetic/reconstructive surgery is very advanced in 'converting' facial features in someone who ALREADY looks like the astoundingly rich person who has been planning their exit strategy for YEARS. But I understand your skepticism because everyone in Egypt likely wants revenge on Mubarek. We have only to look back to the post WW2 ever to realize how many of Hitler's Cronies made it out alive to South America with stolen diamonds, art, cash and other wealth they'd taken from their prisoners. . Had it NOT been for Nazi Hunters who found and hung Eichmann, for example, he likely would have lived undisturbed in relative obscurity with his new name and new life (with plenty of cash put behind the bricks). Sorry - I connect the dots. Tunisian Citizen - Please correct me if I am wrong - but here in the states I'd always heard that despite being surrounded by oppressive regimes, Tunisia was a very modern, forward thinking nation with very liberal views towards women, careers and life in general. Was this wrong?

You are a nincompoop.Don't ever try to link Nelson Mandella with any form of thievery or dishonesty.He is above reproach.

I've been saying this to people since the uprisings in Egypt. Unfortunately that is down played as a "conspiracy theory" here in America by the liberal left and media. What most Americans here do not realize is that the people in these Middle East countries dont want the Democracy that exisits here in the United States. What they want is rule by majority which puts Shiite Muslims in power....forever.

Once these governments have converted from Secular to Muslim rule Israel will be first on the hit list and we will be dragged into another Middle Eastern war defending Israel from the newly Islamified Nations.

jpeyton - there are some Americans that LOVE the way things are done in the Kingdom of S.A. their names are BUSH FAMILY. They have often admitted their admiration for the monarch in the Kingdom and have been photographed with the Saudi Royal family practically kissing their keisters! The bush dynasty is one of the worse pillagers of American treasure (our servicemen and women in uniform) that has ever lived. If you think Bush ever gave a sh-t about a single American serviceman/woman, you'd be dead wrong.

Having trouble understanding what your response has to do with mine. What does the Kingdom of SA have to do with Shiite Muslim's taking over Secular countries (other than they could be next on the protest front)? I didnt say anything about Bush giving a sh!t about service men and women or anything about Bush for that matter. Please help me understand where your coming from....

jpeyton - think the misunderstanding (mine) was with your remark about middle eastern people not being desirous of democracy. That is where I keyed in on the Bush family and how they'd admired the Kingdom and how it was run. My hatred for Bush evidently took over my logic for a moment. apologies for any confusion.

hey moe, I dont mean to sound stupid but what's a "moslem"?

^ Sorry, deprog. I was in a hurry, and I never claimed to be perfect. I'll try harder next time around.

You SAID IT, Deprogrammer. The 3 members of that evil triumvirate need to be charged with war crimes. Baby Bush with his imbecilic banner 'mission accomplished' told us YEARS ago that a geniune moron sat in the Oval Office with his fright spores "gay marriage" and "WMD". At LEAST Bush the Imbecile is being semi-smart now and being QUIET instead of giving additional non-sequitur gaffe's the the press. He is one dumb dog but hey' we elected him TWICE with his "D" grades from Yale were announced and his 'alleged' Nation Guard Reserve duty which showed him to be AWOL most of his drill dates.

Anyway - the worse murderer was the soon to be dead Cheney, whose KBR and their no-bid Pentagon contractors KILLED over 25 of our troops in Iraq while they SHOWERED due to non grounded construction. Cheney (Lucifer) had his outfit over there claim they were NOT RESPONSIBLE for these brave men's deaths because, (get this cowardly back-pedal), they were not liable to use U.S. code and were not at fault in using "Iraqi" building codes!!!! Miscreant scumbag Cheney should be circling the drain himself, now, with his flabby, useless overinflated balloon of a heart getting ready stop. May he be delivered to the devil who spawned him. The sick thing about this is that Cheney, with a cadre of cardiologists at his side every minute, only has to say 'ouch', to have them descend on him like a pack of ants, with full recsusitation gear and ACLS interventions. Meanwhile if YOU or I needed a heart - we'd go to the bottom of the list! If there is evil incarnate living in this nation today - it's that skunk, low-life scumbag bottom feeding, lying, degenerate, verminous pig, dik cheney, along with the very porcine, and smug former REAL president during the Bush years - Carl Rove, may he roast forever in hades with his disembodied, but self aware eternal demonic consciousness in SOLITARY CONFINEMENT!

Sorry to get off topic.

The banks will probable steal the money. The probably already have most of it.

Jason - these guys are like Pope's and Supreme Court Justices! Lifetime regimes.....scary. The worse abuse of the Supreme Court appointment system was during the 'term' of SCJ William Rehnquist who ultimately died of Thyroid Cancer. His L-O-N-G term addiction to the drug (no longer made) known as Placidyl was so well known, AND Hush-hush to the press (with which the SCOTUS has little personal contact) that he'd sleep through important meetings and decisions were made and written by his clerks and aides. Nice, huh? With everything we now know about how addiction to prescription drugs - I feel we need to have current knowledge of drugs being taken by our 'leaders'. Again, I apologize for getting off topic

Luvenia - I have to agree with you, sadly. However, we have one thing here that the other nations don't. That is a free press. Thank GOD them because despite the fact that even the large news outlets are very biased and only cover what they want to, we have SO MANY news organizations that if you can manage to read at least 10 different versions of the 'news', you will be likely to get close to truth. And a rich family does not necessarily mean horrible corruption. I think of FDR and what he did for this country back in my parents' day when people were so poor and only the robber Barrons had money. Then, the WPA and other work-based programs built many great features of America and gave working men and women pride in their honest work and allowed them to at least live in decent homes (no McMansions) and buy enough food to feed their families. Sadly again, it is MY generation (the baby boomers) who somehow got the idea after college that WE should have three cars, a vacation house and got caught up in the insanity of 'leased' car and HELOCS. My dad, who lived through the depression, was very insightful when he said "NEVER risk your house for ANY REASON". I am proud to say I took his sage advice. Living within one's means is coming BACK into style, thank God.

I was not aware of those terms, thank you for the education. That pretty much sum's up our government's behaviour. So sad but true......

buche

Not so sure about the media comment there it seems to me that media outlets cater to their main core readers no matter where it comes from, I could be wrong though. The rest of what you say is another "so sad but true" statement. I wish I could have lived in a time where our government made descitions based on whats best to keep the US strong and what benefits the citizens and our economy. Unfortunately politicains only care about getting votes no matter what and kick backs from lobbyists to line their pockets.

^ H.A. is right on track.

Moe - what is happening right now in Egypt, from a 'leadership' and/or political standpoint? You sound like you are patched in? I am curious to know. Are there jobs for the youth and can everyone attend university? Are there hospitals where everyone can get health care? Is there enough food at the grocery stores and how is Egyptian tourism coming along lately? Seriously - I'd like to know?