Agreement among Libyan foes on bin Laden: ‘He was not welcome here’

By Mike Taibbi, NBC News Correspondent, with additional reporting by Sohel Uddin, NBC News Producer
 
TRIPOLI – There were room-sized rugs placed in the middle of a busy intersection, a few hundred yards from the Hani cemetery in central Tripoli. The plan, we were told, was for a group of clerics to lead public prayers over the coffin of Saif al-Arab, the 29-year-old son of Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi who was killed in a NATO bombing raid Saturday night, along with three of Gadhafi’s grandchildren – a raid which reportedly just missed killing Gadhafi himself and his wife Safia. 

A crowd of about 2,000 gathered in Tripoli Monday for the funeral of Saif al-Arab, Gadhafi's son killed in a NATO raid Saturday night.

Saif’s death was the big story here as Monday dawned, the only story for many on a day when the rest of the world woke up to the news that an American special forces team had killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. 

But as the news spread about bin Laden’s death, despite the ongoing conflict in Libya between the rebels and the government, the two sides were united by one thing: their disdain for the former terrorist mastermind.


‘That’s good’
The NATO strike in Tripoli flattened two buildings in a family compound where many in the Gadhafi family had gathered Saturday night, a compound which NATO Gen. Charles Bouchard said was in fact a military target. 

“We do not target individuals,” Bouchard said in a statement. “We regret all loss of life, especially innocent civilians being harmed as a result of the ongoing conflict.”

However, none of the thousands who attended the funeral seemed to believe that. “This was a direct operation to assassinate the leader of this country,” government spokesman Musa Ibrahim said of the air attack that killed Saif al-Arab, one of the least known of Gadhafi’s seven sons. 

As the funeral gathered steam and veered toward chaos, a surging procession that overwhelmed the original plans for a ceremony centered on public prayers, mourners shouted “Gadhafi lives in our hearts!” and “Libya will have its revenge!”

Since the bombing raid and the deaths of Gadhafi’s son and grandchildren had dominated the state-controlled media here, many attending the funeral knew nothing by midday about the killing of bin Laden. 

Mike Taibbi / NBC News

Crowds chanting support for Col. Moammar Gadafi gathered in Tripoli on Monday for the funeral of his son, Saif al-Arab, who was killed in a NATO air strike Saturday.

We watched for a couple of hours (the foreign press was allowed to attend and cover the funeral) and understood why some of the more than 1,000 angry mourners, who reasonably assumed the press contingent included Westerners, directed their rage at us. 

One man, when I said I was an American, spoke good English and chose after a few minutes to stop shouting and start talking.  He carried a cellphone, a set of car keys, wore a dress shirt, neatly pressed slacks and said he was a businessman.  

“Listen,” he said, talking about Saturday’s NATO raid and two other bomb attacks in the past week that came close to taking out Gadhafi, “you tell me why one sovereign country can go in and assassinate someone in another sovereign country?” 

I let him go on until he’d said his piece, and then asked him what he thought of the killing of Osama bin Laden. He hadn’t heard, asked for details, and I told him what had been reported.  He thought about it, nodding as he thought, then said, “That’s good. That’s different. It’s good!”  He reached to shake my hand and then walked away.

‘He was not welcome here’
A short time later I spoke with a government official who’s one of our regular contacts, told him of that exchange at the funeral and asked if he was surprised.

“No, not at all,” he said, spitting out bin Laden’s name, along with a profanity. “He’s the reason for so much of the trouble in the Arab world … the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, what’s happening here in Libya. We never wanted him, when he tried to recruit here or set up terror camps … He was not welcome here.”

In fact, in Libya’s civil uprising that began in mid-February and is now mired in what feels like a stalemate, bin Laden was tagged with the bogeyman label early on, based on the terror leader’s unsuccessful history here.

Even Libya’s own self-described Jihadist organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, repudiated bin Laden and al-Qaida years ago, declaring that “the strategy of killing civilians is never legitimate.”

And once the uprising against Gadhafi took shape, the Libyan strongman blamed it all on al-Qaida. On Feb. 24, nine days after the rebellion began, Gadhafi called into state television and urged those taking up arms to against his government to ignore al-Qaida and bin Laden. He condemned the rebellion as “an enemy who is manipulating people” with hallucinogenic drugs, “an enemy who is wanted by America and the Western World. Do not listen to bin Laden and his followers.” Later, Gadhafi told a Russian news service it was bin Laden’s plan to “take over Libya” and to “turn it into another Afghanistan or Somalia.”

But in the aftermath of the funeral, when Tripoli had caught up to the news of the killing of bin Laden, it seemed the two sides in Libya’s internal death struggle were in agreement: the terror leader’s death was good news.  

However, there was a point of disagreement over what it meant.

For the Gadhafi government, the key instigator of the ongoing civil war had been eliminated. But the rebels seemed to take inspiration from it. Col. Ahmed Bani, the rebel military spokesman, said, “We are very happy and we are waiting for the next step … to do the same to Gadhafi."

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Strange how a war changes things less than 10 years ago Libyans were dancing in the streets after hearing of the death and destruction of 9/11. After they have suffered the same amount of deaths maybe we can return the sentiment but this 9 deaths everyday will take awhile. Good job Libya we are looking forward to the 3,000 mark.

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Reply#1 - Tue May 3, 2011 3:07 PM EDT

Yeah the muslims were cheering in the streets of Paterson N.J. too!

Just 17 mi. from ground zero

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#1.1 - Tue May 3, 2011 4:30 PM EDT

Independent numbers of dead and injured in the conflict have still not been made available. Estimates have been widely varied. Conservative estimates have put the death toll at 1,000. The International Criminal Court estimated 10,000 killed on 7 March. The numbers of injured were estimated to be around 4,000 by 22 February. On 2 March, the International Federation for Human Rights estimated a death toll as high as 3,000 and the World Health Organization estimated approximately 2,000 killed. At the same time, the opposition claimed that 6,500 people had died. The Libyan League for Human Rights estimated 6,000 killed on 5 March. Later, rebel spokesman Abdul Hafiz Ghoga reported that the death toll reached 8,000.

    #1.2 - Tue May 3, 2011 5:54 PM EDT

    Those that danced were in Palestine, not Libya. Why do you assume every muslim nation celebrated? I remember quite well Iranians had candle light vigils for us on 911.

      #1.3 - Fri May 6, 2011 2:35 PM EDT
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      Wow @ the guy above me..

      Anyway, does anyone else see this hypocrisy?? The Western Media is "shocked" that no one knows about the terrorist bin Laden being killed in Libya.

      Perhaps because NATO is terrorizing Libya, and running inteference in a Civil War that it has no right messing with?

      Took out a sovereign leaders grandchildren?? And almost killed him?? A leader of an independent nation.

      Is that not terrorism?

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      Reply#2 - Tue May 3, 2011 3:23 PM EDT

      That sovereign leader killed many people's grandchildren. It's sad that innocents had to die, but his own hands were not clean.

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      #2.1 - Tue May 3, 2011 4:21 PM EDT

      tek...just a few words .........PAN AM 103.....PAN AM 103.....PAN AM 103, Remember that, or must I repeat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      #2.2 - Tue May 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT

      It's weird that a lot of people don't remember how he was behind the murders of innocent civilians outside of his own country, too.

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      #2.3 - Tue May 3, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

      Do you know what sovereign means Tek? Your argument is empty, the fact that he is a sovereign leader has nothing to do with the fact that people want him dead. He will only be sovereign so long as he has power, once he is killed, then he will no longer be sovereign.

      In case you haven't figured it out yet, sovereignty ONLY refers to power. America is the supreme sovereign nation, because it is the most powerful. A nation can be sovereign so long as it maintains power over itself. Once a nation loses power over itself, then the nation itself is no longer sovereign. Doesn't mean the leaders cant be sovereign... but the nation has lost it's sovereignty. Afghanistan may have a government, but it can be argued that it is not sovereign.

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      #2.4 - Wed May 4, 2011 6:58 PM EDT

      smfh, and this government DOESN'T kill peoples children???

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_State_killings

      the USA is in NO moral position to oust any leader for "killing citizens".

        #2.5 - Thu May 5, 2011 2:27 PM EDT
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        Gadhafi, Qadhafi...whatever his name is...has got to be crapping in his pants at the news of bin Laden's assassination. If the US Special Ops can hunt down one of the most ellusive terrorists in the world, Qadhafi certainly cant feel safe wherever he may be.

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        Reply#3 - Tue May 3, 2011 4:42 PM EDT

        AZCzhd...yeah...most people forget the last time he crapped in his pants.....

        It was when we invaded Iraq,..... that was the only reason he suddenly decided to give up him nuclear aspirations.....figured he might be next!

        He was working on it with Ali Khan who started nukes with Korea and Pakistan...then he knees started knocking and told him good bye!

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        #3.1 - Tue May 3, 2011 5:07 PM EDT
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        Rev and I say that name with hesitation, it sounds like you are agreeing with killing of grand children. Killing is wrong period. If we were attacted then self defense would be the option. As for going into another country and attempting to kill the leader is just nuts. Yeah OIL has no part in this what so ever I am sure....yup no part at all....nope.... So Rev do ya have stock in the oil companies I wonder. ps I think I will skip your service.......

          Reply#4 - Tue May 3, 2011 6:47 PM EDT

          It makes no difference what islamist is behind these so called democracy revolutions as long as they are using propaganda to turn the youth of these countries against those that have opposed the islamist. What democratic model do you think will work best? Irans. The late Mr Laden is gone only because he was a has been in the movement and was a liability. Will his death take some of the heat off of the islamist? I think that was part of the goal of the Pakistan intelligence. Plus whatever we paid them to sit in their barracks while we carried out their will. There is no black and white here. Only gray.

            Reply#5 - Tue May 3, 2011 9:36 PM EDT

            Isn't it strange how fast things change in a way you can not dream. Ten years ago I came down stairs to get my cup of coffee and fliped on the TV. The events in NYC were taking place. People all over the US felt under seige. We all started acting like real Americans. We got out our Flags and dusted them off and flew them. If we didn't have one we bought one. We forgot that we were Dem and Rep and came together. Even Gadhafe and Bush worked together against OBL and Al Qaida. Now when we get OBL, we also want to get to Gadhafe. Republicans or trying to tell the Democrats that they aren't Americans.

              Reply#6 - Wed May 4, 2011 9:44 PM EDT

              Once the dust settles and it is discovered weather or not there was munitions hidden in/beneath the compound the issue will be resolved as to weather or not the bombings were justified.

              I can't help wondering while we wait-Why in God's name would Gaddafi put his family in harms way knowing that sooner or later the bombs would fall real close. As the supreme leader of the military he had to know that he would be targeted sooner than later,after all he's the Imperacle,Sovereign,Leader of all the peace loving people of Libya. Those mainly civilians that he's bombing are his own people who are only confused about what freedom is,Gaddafi has been handing out freedom to all for what 41 years now? So he throws all his military might against his people and cries foul when those people get outside help to level the playing field.Tough bananas,he had years of being a bigshot,with good fortune on there side,perhaps the real freedom lovers in Libya will prevail and the country can start to mend.

                Reply#7 - Thu May 5, 2011 12:47 PM EDT

                Ghadafi is the smart dictator. When the U.S. and western world pushed in on weapons of mass distraction and terrorism, he backed down. When the civil war barely started he painted his opponents as Al Queda supporters (and there is a little bit of truth in that), and told Americans plenty of them would die in a war with him, and that he would never give up. That kind of talk works a lot better than calling the U.S. the Great Satan and vowing to kill U.S. civilians. When NATO got involved he was ready to negotiate from the start knowing full well he could not defeat them, but his conditions are still too high. When NATO started bombing his military vehicles, he switched to using civilian vehicles so his troops could blend in with the rebels and everybody else.

                This guy is crafty. If he's smart enough he will realize the best thing to do now is to peacefully leave power in exchange for safe haven somewhere. I would be fine with that. One man's non death is worth ending the war.

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                Reply#8 - Fri May 6, 2011 2:44 PM EDT
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