NBC's Richard Engel and Lester Holt discuss whether President Hosni Mubarak's departure was a military coup or an orderly transition of power.
The Egyptian military essentially gave President Hosni Mubarak an ultimatum last night, NBC News' Richard Engel reports from Cairo.
Several senior officials were "furious" with Mubarak's refusal to step down and threatened to take off their uniforms and join the protesters, Engel reported.
"When the military comes in and tells the president, 'We will not stand beside you — you must stand down,' it's hard to call it anything but a coup," Engel said.
Click the video for Engel's full report with NBC's Lester Holt.



no coups are ever blood-less some are just less obvious than others - nice of Obama to praise the leader for listening to the wishes of the people - wish he would do the same
Obama does [listen], and that's why he's where he is, today, Wayne!!!!!
found this cool video & song of the events in egypt -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq__3XcXFAo
WOW! is that what they'r going to name this .... how about the people tryhumpt or the people win or the truth in Egypt people (media)= Why the spin whith negitive over tones-coup+blo-((((less (hint) that what he said ??? ! They are missing the opertunity to keep it simple an to the point...WHY/?
IT WAS NOT A BLOODLESS COUP: CLOSE TO 500 PEOPLE WERE KILLED/MURDERED by Mubarak´s cronies and a couple of thousand injured. Nevertheles, egyptians still do not have freedom and dignity. They have to work at it some more, together with their armed forces that must see their role as only temporary, until the institutional basis is set up so that political parties can prosper in peace and without fear. Once this is achieved, elections must be convened so that regional-party political representatives can be elected nationwide with a view to integrating a National Assembly to draft a new Constitution for the country. This would be the beginning of a new future for the egyptian population. Meanwhile, the military government should seek to extradite Mubarak back to Egypt to face a trial for murder and stealing of public funds. His assets, in general, should be confiscated in Egypt as well as outside of the country.
Egypt should seize this moment, to enshrine the principles of righteousness and freedom - liberty and justice, into its laws. Freedom is the foundation of the law. Without right there is no wrong, without freedom there is no right. Our doctrine should be reason, not ignorance, for we do not blindly follow writings without explanation.
The 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution, contains five rights that should be recognized for all people all over the world:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
These 5 rights are merely reflective of liberty and justice.
1. Freedom of Religion - this should be interpreted as an individual freedom to both organized religion, and personal spirituality. For religion is ultimately between oneself and God alone.
2. Freedom of Speech. Freedom does not give you the right to endanger others by yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. In other words in respect to this right and others, a right to freedom of something does not give one a right to violate or endanger others.
3. Freedom of the Press.
4. Freedom of Peaceable Association and Demonstration and Assembly
5. Freedom to criticize the government
The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is also incredibly important, it says:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
People have a right to possession of guns and other weapons. However, as with free speech, a right to possession does not need to equate a right to endanger. Possession of bombs that endanger those around you would not be covered. Bombs must be safely stored and transported.
Those two rights also ensure the ultimate means of governmental change. The first amendment along with a democratic process ensures the means of peaceful government change through voting, free speech, criticizing and lobbying the government, assembly, and even Civil Disobedience - if numbers are large and penalties are light, and suing.
In addition to democracy and a representative government, Egypt should also embrace the notion that the law should be applied to everyone equally. There should be neither oppression, nor lawlessness in a new Egypt.
The following rights are also just and help to ensure the hope of freedom and righteousness:
1. Freedom of action. An act is right if it does not create a wrong. What is wrong? Violation of Property including Bodies. Thus you have a right to freedom of action.
2. Freedom not to serve any government in peace or war. Forced servitude is slavery and imprisonment and wrong.
3. Freedom of Possession (concealed and unconcealed) including right to bear arms. (Though not freedom to endanger). [Thus not freedom to possess all biological substances (that may be a danger)]
4. Freedom to purchase, and buy anything publicly for sale. This does not equate to paying someone before the fact to commit a crime, which would make one an accessory.
5. Freedom to produce (though not necessarily sell). Sale, at least public sale should be regulated for unregulated sale is like stealing. The government should regulate commerce with an attempt to satisfy consumer demand so there is no black market as a black market leads to other criminal activity, and people's demands should be satisfied if they do not cause harm to another or the economic prospects of the economy as a whole.
(Intent to sell is the same as actually selling, so production with intent to sell may not necessarily be legal either)
Regulation of commerce should include a minimum wage and a maximum income. Which, if high enough, and low enough, go a long way towards answering the criticism of socialists. Above a certain amount there should be 100% tax.
6. Freedom to do on public property all the things one may do on private property. (Though how do you know if it's public property or government owned private property - that's the problem). But this right does not include a right to destroy, endanger, or monopolize public property. It's other people's property also.
7. Freedom to travel and leave.
8. A right to the sanctity of your own body. This includes a right to abortion.
9, A right to Privacy. As the fourth amendment to the United States Constitution says: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
10. The rights of the accused. Egypt should ensure those accused have rights, including,
1. Habeas Corpus: the right be brought before a judge.
2. Trial by Jury.
3. Right to a Speedy trial.
4. Right to not testify against oneself
5. Right to cross examine accusers.
6. Right to freedom from another trial when already exonerated by a previous trial for the same offense.
7. No cruel and unusual punishment, including torture and mayhem.
8. Right to appeal the case to a higher court.
Wrong is the imposition of one will upon another. This is most extremely exemplified by larceny of body. Thus larceny of body is the greatest crime, and to a lesser extent, also, larceny of property. People otherwise should generally be free to do what they want.
Maybe more than a majority should be required to pass a condemnatory criminal law.
60%, 66%, 70%, 75%, 80-95%
In America, Egypt, and in any other so called "Democracy" Tyranny of the majority is the next greatest evil next to tyranny of the minority. A Democracy does not make right. A majority can do evil. America had slavery and segregation. America still is not free. 49% of the people are always oppressed in one way or another by 51%. And that is wrong. All it means is less people are oppressed than the 99% oppressed by a dictator.
So it is less tragic than that tragedy, but tragedy all the same.
Reason makes right. Our doctrine should be reason.
Elections, Regulation of Commerce, and Taxing and Spending could still be decided by 51% majority.
cool-3047163- a majority is what decides in a democracy by voting in their respective representation in to power. However as with the Health Bill, a majority of Americans were against it yet a minority pushed it through into law. Reason is what makes sense to a a majority at any given time, look at history time and time again what seemed reasonable often was just the opposite.